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Some fun B12 perspective: Utah, Arizona, Kansas, and KSU (all ranked) have a combined 9 4-star recruits for 2024. USC has 18.

What I really note from this list are some of the team rankings. USC unranked? Inconceivable! NC State? KSU with a new QB? Louisville? Kansas? I don’t believe any of this…but if true, Riley should be fired. Year 3 and the list of teams thought of more highly than USC on this list is absurd. Doesn’t take 10 years for a brand name to make it back these days.

Or PIG 2 MID 2 Solid options

And…I just read that the rodents (only) got $10m in additional state funding for athletic scholarships.

I wanted Chip to go dominate the NFL and was rooting for him at UCLA as well. Given how few of our offensive players from his era really did much in the NFL, I would also argue that his schemes made good college players great at Oregon, which is a tribute to him. The pac south was pretty poor during most of his time at UCLA, he should have had enough talent once or twice to make some noise, and it didn’t really happen. Not luster lost for me, just the fact he has not sustained any success since leaving us, which was quite a while ago now. PS New Englanders are never happy 😅

Proof will be in the pudding, we’re all really guessing. I personally think Chip caught lightning in a bottle at the UO and the moment has passed. I also think Day might be creating a bit of an echo chamber that won’t help tOSU evolve…but they do have a LOT of talent. This will be a ton of fun to watch.

Lot of cart and horse here. If the rankings are going to be so stupid as to not heavily weigh SOS then guaranteed spots are a must. If the ranking system isn’t going to be stupid and factors in SOS as a top consideration then go ahead and have a fully open field. the same people that control the playoff format control the ranking system of who gets in, right? Perhaps the theory is that settling the criteria ahead of time means not having to sell the scenario of why FSU didn’t make the cut over and over again. The recent FSU (and Liberty for that matter) case is a prime example of how the public will still fall for 13-0 over all else.

Agree, but Bittle is a supposed 5 star Junior that has stats on par with a true frosh. I’d love to see an Oregonian kick butt, but he really is “exhibit A” of how questionable the star system is.

Yep a bye isn’t nothing for sure. I think we had our key pieces at guard in Shelstad and Couisnard, one was a frosh the other a mega-senior that is extremely inconsistent and not an NBA prospect. Guard play is everything in college hoops and that combination is bubble at best unless you have really good NBA-type prospects at every other position. I don’t think any of the injured guys would have made us better from the 3-point line or made us tougher on D, and Bittle (project) would have landed Evans (legit) more bench time. One injury that could have impacted things more is Cook, but total wildcard as a frosh. I just think Dana hasn’t been successful at prioritizing good 3-point shooters, at one point before big Frank transferred to UW, we were slated to have four player that were at least within an inch of 7 feet, most of them with zero range. That’s not good modern hoops.

Thrilling game, let’s enjoy that aspect at least. I’d call it “one mediocre team in a year the pac was terrible”. I know we have extensive injuries, but I don't think our record would be much better if healthy, I think we’d be on the bubble at best. Sadly we’ll never know.

So basically the year 1980 with a few tweaks? Sure. If you’re going nuts, not having Maryland in the ACC is criminal.

Lot of good points and agree with almost everything outside of the last paragraph, this isn’t European soccer, relegation will probably never happen. What could happen is a more formal division of the top current level. Top 64 (criteria might be impossible to agree to) become the highest level with 4 divisions of 16 regionally oriented teams. Those not in the top 64 set up something similar for schools that don’t care to, or are unable to pay their assistant pool $10M, etc.

I referenced apathy as being the worst possible outcome for women’s hoops previously…I have gone from not missing a single game to being unaware we had a game today. Probably time for a change.

Interesting stuff! This may be pretty obvious, but I think it’s good to revisit the results of the last 10 years with a 4-team playoff. Only 15 different schools appeared in the 4-team playoff. It gets more consolidated when you realize only 6 different schools won the playoff, with 80% coming from the big2, SEC(6), B1G(2), and Clemson (2). So the better question might be, “did they already ruin college football”. If ruined means “very few teams outside the big 2 winning the playoff”, that’s already been achieved. I think every suggested expansion format will help on the variety of schools front.

“I feel very strongly that they’re probably tired of loudmouthed presidents like the guy at Washington State who got in the way several years ago and stopped the progress of the 12-team Playoff,” Finebaum explained. “…And he’s still mouthing off, and he’s part of a league with 2 schools. My reaction is shut up, go find yourself into a league before you try to dictate policy at the CFP.” Gold Jerry, gold.

All good reads! But Arizona #4? Get serious. Maybe if they were status quo and building upon last year I could see them sneaking into the playoff at #12. Utah is the one to beat in that conference.

Oh yeah, I called it a potential glorified podcast earlier in the thread. Can’t imagine anyone wanting to carry it. Direct streaming only with the voice of the Beavs and Cougs being the talent. Since the conference failed at successfully implementing the network at full strength, very good chance this will be a huge money loser for them as their pirated treasure dries up quickly.

Another angle that gets me, in addition to all the above, the rules for A MEMBER OR TWO leaving were not designed for 10 members leaving at once. Again, terrible leadership.There should have been a clause as to what constitutes the conference dissolving. Arrogance did not allow for this as a possibility, which is just foolish and incompetent. More? Despite this, they still could have argued this point, and to my knowledge did not. Finally. Their fanbase referring to us as “Whoregone” when they were also trying to leave, and would join the ACC today if they were invited, is just flat out annoying. Throw in us giving up a home game to give them a home game to sell (featuring us) and it makes me not wish them well. All that being said, they’re about to become irrelevant in my mind-space after we pound them in September.

There are all kinds of whacky scenarios that are possible. You could have the B12 second best team (or champ) be 7-5 and make the playoff. On average though, the big 2 are each going to have 3+ teams that win 10+ games, these teams will no doubt all be in the top 14. SEC/B1G will organically have at least 3 teams in the top 14 whether or not the word “guaranteed” is used, can’t say the same for the B12/ACC. I think on average, the lesser two conferences come out ahead with these guarantees.

They have this completely backwards. Anything that guarantees multiple conference bids outside the big 2 should be grabbed without question. Just look at the 2024 top 25 recruiting classes, 20 are from the SEC/B1G. If the PAC had continued sans the LA schools, I would have been very happy taking a guarantee of at least two teams every year. Not hard to see where this is going.

All true, but one conference has 5+ “blue bloods” and the other has zero, Not equal schedules so not all losses are equal. I’d go as far to say that 9-3 in the new B1G is the equal to 11-1 in the new B12.

What "continuing" means actually remains to be seen. Glorified WSU/OSU podcast? High potential for them to screw that up and cost some serious $$.

On a side note, I've been wondering when the time to unsubscribe from all things PAC would arrive, and it's starting to feel like the time has arrived.

Agree that this is stupid logic for all conferences, but the reality with the new membership in the SEC and B1G is that it stretches the imagination to think these two conferences won't have at least 3 teams in the top 14 every year. Most of what I've seen with ND is they are in if they are in the top 14, which is true for nearly anyone. So I'm not in a huge twist on that one. For fun, I reviewed the historical ACC standings...about every 3 years, the team with the second best record had 4+ losses, the frequency gets much worse if they are taking division champs. The B12 no longer having Texas and Oklahoma is bound to have it's second best team have 3+ losses just about every year. Format really should be 4 conference champs, 1 best mid, rest completely at large.

Also just read they’re “continuing” the P12 network through 2025. Just let that sink in.