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Charles Fischer

Tell-me, Tell me: Fiesta Bowl Game Thread

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Way too much time of possession for Iowa State. They are an experienced team that has played well!

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This really illustrates how a team that plays a full season is more polished and plays better together.  PAC12 hosed the ducks again....

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Well, Oregon lays an egg on the national stage. On offense, defense, special teams and on the sidelines.

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Looking forward to Basketball game tonight.

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Shoot, there was the Shough we have come to know. Throw it right to the other team at least once a game. 

Hopefully the Bball teams plays better here in a few hours or it will be a tough start to 2021 for the Oregon Ducks.

Take care folks. 

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My wife just joined me for the last few minutes. As the TV showed a close up of Tyler Shough she said "that is the look of fear in his eyes:. He then promptly thru an interception.

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Turned this joke of a game off... 

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Uninspired mistake -riddled play. Sick to my stomach. So disappointed in the coaches that I was so exited about. Outcoached and outplayed. A new year bummer.

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I would like to see Shough have success.  I feel for him.  But.....he is not performing time and time again.  Is it him, or the Coach’s play calling?

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Frankly, another four or five games wouldn’t have made a difference.

As I intimated last night, we don’t have the horses.  This is not an experience thing.  We need guys the size of the Oregon grads that are NFL standouts.  
 

Armstead; Buckner; the set of 2014 and 2007 WRs.  Blunt; Rolls Royce; Ngata; Sewell;  Stewart; Herbert; Harris; Matthews;  and others that are built like NFL players.  
 

This group and the incoming recruits are too small.  They will elevate the program, but they are not enough.  We can start with the first two guys I mentioned above.  Bama, Clemson and Ohio State have six or seven guys that size on the defensive line.

Our receivers still don’t torch the best nationwide.  You can see it today.  Verdell is close, but Blunt, Stewart and Freeman are archetype bruisers with speed.

We have to get bigger and faster.  There isn’t enough juice or toughness that can match that caliber consistently in my opinion.  Maybe a semifinal victory, but I don’t see titles in our future.

Iowa State is tough, but they do not look like or perform like the Big 3.

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2 minutes ago, Mike West said:

Frankly, another four or five games wouldn’t have made a difference.

As I intimated last night, we don’t have the horses.  This is not an experience thing.  We need guys the size of the Oregon grads that are NFL standouts.  
 

Armstead; Buckner; the set of 2014 and 2007 WRs.  Blunt; Rolls Royce; Ngata; Sewell;  Stewart; Herbert; Harris; Matthews;  and others that are built like NFL players.  
 

This group and the incoming recruits are too small.  They will elevate the program, but they are not enough.  We can start with the first two guys I mentioned above.  Bama, Clemson and Ohio State have six or seven guys that size on the defensive line.

Our receivers still don’t torch the best nationwide.  You can see it today.  Verdell is close, but Blunt, Stewart and Freeman are archetype bruisers with speed.

We have to get bigger and faster.  There isn’t enough juice or toughness that can match that caliber consistently in my opinion.  Maybe a semifinal victory, but I don’t see titles in our future.

Iowa State is tough, but they do not look like or perform like the Big 3.

Totally agree. I think it's fair to say that next year will be just another year. Some good, some bad but not enough to make a statement.

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Just turned the game off. We shot ourselves in the foot every which way. ISU is not a very good team. They just managed to methodically move the ball, and we couldn't. They ate the clock, wore out our defense, and wore down our spirit. Oregon was outreached and outplayed.

This has become a familiar problem for the Ducks. We can't win consistently and we look pretty lame. OU is not in the same league with Alabama, Ohio State or any of a dozen other programs. We couldn't even beat OSU and CAL. 

This loss reminds me of the letdown after the Alamo Bowl disaster. Only it's worse. Because we have some very talented players. And we are supposed to have good coaches. But this ... spectacle ... is going to hurt how Oregon is perceived, not to mention recruiting. I guarantee we are going to see a bunch of de-commits.

 

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Outcoached.

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9 minutes ago, Mike West said:

As I intimated last night, we don’t have the horses.  This is not an experience thing.  We need guys the size of the Oregon grads that are NFL standouts.

This is truly the case. When you watch Alabama, and Ohio State, those guys just don't look like our guys, every one of them is huge and fast. KT was the #1 recruit, and he doesn't look like the Alabama guys.

 Mario is trying, the only way he can to get the players. But Alabama is still getting better players. It's going to be tough to catch up. 

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With outings like this on national tv we aren't going to get the recruits you're talking about.

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Congrats to Iowa State that was fun to watch a well coached team with a very good qb. They are also the type of team I like to watch be successful. They are a lot like the Ducks and show the future can be bright.

They have the same very good coaching staff with a group of players who have been together longer. Now we can be frustrated we didn't pick Purdy as our qb, but that is not how Oregon rolls anymore. We pick the elite talent and sometimes get the elite play.

Next season we may get that elite talent with our 5* recruit coming in. We no longer look to the diamond in the rough. I don't think we even signed one guy who wasn't lauded by the recruiting services. We either have the elite guy who makes it big at the college level, or just a guy who has some very good measurables.

Believe me I was frustrated, because I still love an underdog. Unfortunately we still lose to underdogs and we aren't an underdog anymore.

Also we lost 4-0, that was what mattered and the final score was 42-17, not 34-17

 

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And I'm beginning to have serious reservations about our coaching staff. 

That's even more serious.

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It is pretty hard to win a game where you do not convert 3rd downs, and turn the ball over 5 times.  2 muffed kicks, 2 fumbles and an int.)

One team came to play. The other team came to execute plays.

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11 minutes ago, tee duke said:

ISU is not a very good team.

ISU is a VERY GOOD team! Beat Oklahoma once and lost to that same Oklahoma team by just 6 points in the Big12 championship game.

Our Ducks lost to a better team today.

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I'd like to give the Duck players a pass this year because of the circumstance from Covid, but I can't give the coaching staff a pass. 

When you're still running up the gut on 3rd and 2 and not getting it. When are you going to learn?

Even my wife, who knows enough about football even knew Likio was going to get the ball on a 3rd and 2 in the 4th qtr. She said why else would he be in there? 0 3rd down conversions in a game. 

I think thats a sign of something wrong.

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49 minutes ago, Duckdude said:

Looking forward to Basketball game tonight.

That's the way to see the bright side of things. Both basketball teams are off to great starts,  and should just get better as the season goes on. 

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2 minutes ago, ICamel said:

ISU is a VERY GOOD team! Beat Oklahoma once and lost to that same Oklahoma team by just 6 points in the Big12 championship game.

Our Ducks lost to a better team today.

The difference is that our Ducks are a 3/4 billion $$ team--I guess it shows that throwing $$ at something doesnt always bring results.

maybe 3 or 4 years down the road it will pay off? Personally I doubt it-but here's to hoping. I came from the old school of failure is failure.

No excuses--- If I was Mullen I would have waited for the bowl game to bring out the check book.

 Im almost sickened at the way college ball pays out without regard  to success.---Mario Cristobal is just an O line coach-no more-less. 

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11 minutes ago, 1Ducker1 said:

The difference is that our Ducks are a 3/4 billion $$ team

That would be $750,000,000. Show us the money!

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Not good but it was a season of ups and downs. The hope was USC was the team putting some things together - but no. Fans fools gold.

Far from so bad I'd expect any significant guys to pull the plug and transfer. Maybe it effects a few seniors on the fence about returning. As I understand it, kids who signed LOIs don't have the option to decommit (nor should they want to based on a bowl game loss as an underdog).

Things still look up for 2021. Just no play-off talk please until AT LEAST the team hits about 10-0 (which would seem pretty unlikely).

 

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Here are some numbers to ponder for this season:

1. We lost the turnover margin 17-7 for a -10 turnover ratio. 17 turnovers (11 fumbles lost and 6 interceptions) in 7 games.....wow!! I don't believe we have seen that poor of numbers in a few decades.

2. A measly 38 points scored in 10 quarters of football during the second half of the past five games including the UCLA game. Including getting doughnuts in 4 of those second half quarters (this game and against California). That is not good. Does this indicate poor coaching i.e. being unable to adjust at halftime while the other team makes big adjustments on your scheme? Is this the result of losing at the game of chess on the football field?

3. Two games in a row with the other team easily capitalizing on onside kicks or whatever that was ISU did today. That is very poor special teams coaching. How often have you seen a team fall victim to that  in back to back games? 

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