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Oregon's Defense: Purdue Went From 49 Points to ZERO?

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Look, I understand about the tackling, and I also remind myself that this is a team that lost decisively to Beavis. But Oregon did not play down very much, especially on defense.  They were not perfect, but zero points is always fantastic.

 

Surprisingly...we did introduce some new plays in this game.  I loved many of the constraint/sequential plays that make the Stein offense difficult to stop.

 

Gabriel was like our defense; not perfect, but....

 

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I remember before the season started some BIG talking heads were wondering how the Ducks would deal with a road game with a team like Purdue. Looks like we just found out.

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Tackling against tOSU was the best I've ever seen from Ducks. Vice grip tackles on 4 and 5 star skill players was amazing.

 

Tonight wasn't as good, but the bully ball made up for it.

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Lanning has not lost to an unranked opponent yet. 

 

He seems to have them ready than most coaches in terms of the mental aspects. 

 

But this is a grind of five more teams we should beat, but could also defeat OBD.

 

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Looks like Joel came out a little Klatt with this:

 

"What do we see all the time in college football? Teams underperform the week after their most emotional win," Klatt said on his preview podcast. "We saw it with Alabama losing to Vanderbilt after beating Georgia. I think that we see it with Oregon and Purdue."

 

"I'm not suggesting that Purdue is going to win the game, but 27.5 points is too much," Klatt said, speaking of the betting odds." (Oregon) is traveling 2,000 miles, and they have to play them on a Friday night. Friday night road games for the favorite never go well for those teams."
 

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On 10/18/2024 at 8:58 PM, 30Duck said:

Looks like Joel came out a little Klatt with this:

 

"What do we see all the time in college football? Teams underperform the week after their most emotional win," Klatt said on his preview podcast. "We saw it with Alabama losing to Vanderbilt after beating Georgia. I think that we see it with Oregon and Purdue."

 

"I'm not suggesting that Purdue is going to win the game, but 27.5 points is too much," Klatt said, speaking of the betting odds." (Oregon) is traveling 2,000 miles, and they have to play them on a Friday night. Friday night road games for the favorite never go well for those teams."
 

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Way to go KLATT!

 

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, Next Week Rutgers @ USC Kickoff 8:00 PST

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Tim Brando has been around a long time, and I've always liked his game. I'm not familiar with the analyst, but both he and Brando definitely knew who the Ducks were and were as supportive to Purdue, in a 35-0 loss, as possible. 

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On 10/18/2024 at 8:58 PM, 30Duck said:

Looks like Joel came out a little Klatt with this:

 

"What do we see all the time in college football? Teams underperform the week after their most emotional win," Klatt said on his preview podcast. "We saw it with Alabama losing to Vanderbilt after beating Georgia. I think that we see it with Oregon and Purdue."

 

"I'm not suggesting that Purdue is going to win the game, but 27.5 points is too much," Klatt said, speaking of the betting odds." (Oregon) is traveling 2,000 miles, and they have to play them on a Friday night. Friday night road games for the favorite never go well for those teams."
 

As Charles said, I'm not sure that's gonna age very well. 😆

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Tomorrow will be full of good games, Miami @ Louisville, 9:00 on ABC, Nebraska @ Indiana, 9:00 on Fox, Miami games aren't interesting until the last two minutes. Alabama @ Tennessee, 12:30 ABC and No.5 Georgia @ No.1 Texas, 4:30 on ABC.

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To think that Michigan at Illinois are our next two opponents!

 

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On 10/18/2024 at 9:26 PM, 30Duck said:

Miami games aren't interesting until the last two minutes. 

That's when the ACC refs step in. 

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On 10/18/2024 at 9:34 PM, Charles Fischer said:

To think that Michigan at Illinois are our next two opponents!

 

I don’t think either team will be happy with tonight’s score.

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John Canzano acknowledged the Oregon defense...

 

"Give a tip of the cap to Oregon defensive coordinator Tosh Lupoi, who got a shutout. It was the fifth time this season that the Ducks’ opponent failed to score more than 14 points. That’s remarkable."

 

OK....good observation, as I did not know that.  Five times out of seven games?

 

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On 10/18/2024 at 9:38 PM, Charles Fischer said:

OK....good observation, as I did not know that.  Five times out of seven games?

And.. the two games that we did not hold the opponent to less than 14 were Boise State in our worst played game that was also a win... and Ohio State. Both ranked teams.

 

So that's respectable. Just need to keep improving week to week.

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On 10/18/2024 at 9:38 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

OK....good observation, as I did not know that.  Five times out of seven games?

As I was watching the game, I was thinking there was something different about this Oregon team. It clearly is the defense. That 5 of 7 games is a remarkable stat, and as Lanning said, "Lot's to improve on". Wow.

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So far, through 7 games, Oregon’s amazing defense is giving up an average of 16.6 points per game. 

 

If I did my math right, over the last 50 years, no Duck defense has allowed so few points per game. 

 

 

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Seems like the "eye test" on OBD used to be we were either fast but a bit on the small side, or big and a bit slow. Now we look big and fast. I like what I'm seeing!

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On 10/18/2024 at 9:47 PM, Desert Duck said:

So far, through 7 games, Oregon’s amazing defense is giving up an average of 16.6 points per game. 

 

If I did my math right, over the last 50 years, no Duck defense has allowed so few points per game. 

 

 

Well, Look at last year's full stats for giving up points per game...

 

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For those around the country that watched the Ohio State game and were impressed with the Duck defense....and now they see a goose-egg by Purdue at home after scoring 49 last week?

 

That will surprise some pundits...

 

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On 10/18/2024 at 10:12 PM, Charles Fischer said:

Well, Look at last year's full stats for giving up points per game...

 

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And, upon further review, 2018 (231 pts / 14 games = 16.5).

 

So this year's team defense is currently tied with 2023 & 2018 for average fewest points allowed per game over the past 50 years. 

 

Here's to hoping that they break the record. 

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On 10/18/2024 at 11:02 PM, Desert Duck said:

Here's to hoping that they break the record. 

That will be very hard to do once we get into the Playoffs--with the teams we will face.

 

But for our remaining regular schedule?  Why not break the record over the 12 games?  

 

After all, it is the...

 

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Truly a Defence that is really rounding into shape! When's the last time the Ducks had this complete of a D line? 

 

The Depth at D line is on a level rarely seen in green and yellow. Harmond is next level and Caldwell is not much of a drop off.

 

Uiagalelei is always around the ball, Tuioti is rocking it. Both these guys are taking a big sophomore leap forward.

 

The DBs are really starting to gel. The law firm of Johnson & Johnson are laying down the law, Muhammad is doing what Muhammad does. I really have to hand it to Nikko Reed for stepping up big against tOSU and the NFL level talent.

 

LBs have the hardest jobs. I'm most impressed with the emergence of Jackson his speed allows him to cover a lot of field and he has also taken a big leap forward. 

 

 

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Some Purdue fan reaction:

 

This was far more of a game than I thought. Was it only one or two 3 and outs? Offense did move the ball, but kept shooting themselves in the foot. After the first 3 drives ended in TD’s the defense finally got off the field. I mean it sucks to be shut out - no denying that - and to continuously see poor fundamentals is maddening. In some sense I have to wonder what the offense would be like had Browne been given the keys at the start of the year. Maybe the offense is a little more competent and this game is a bit closer. Not seeing an upside in dispensing with Walters just yet. Things are changing. A month ago I think we lose by 70+.
 

"more of a game than I thought"
I died a little reading this.
What part was the "game"? They scored 3 touchdowns on opening drives of 75, 80, and 99 yards, all less than 5 minutes, none with a play over 50 yards, and only 2 plays over 30 yards, the rest were 10, 15, 20 yards plays on nearly every other play.
 

 


Walters should be packing his office right now.
 

 

 

 

 

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On 10/19/2024 at 12:29 AM, Charles Fischer said:

That will be very hard to do once we get into the Playoffs--with the teams we will face.

 

But for our remaining regular schedule?  Why not break the record over the 12 games?  

 

After all, it is the...

 

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Charles - Any worry about the Ducks’ offense? Correct me if I’m misquoting you, but I believe you have said, in the past, that to compete for / win the national championship a team needs to average 40+ ppg.

 

I’m surprised that the Ducks have only scored 40+ against the Beavers.

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Well done by the coaches and players for coming out STRONG and not falling for the classic trap game, after a  huge victory.  
 

Our defensive line wrecked havoc again. Matayo had another great game. Harmon is an amazing player. He reminds me of Aaron Darnold with his size, strength and quickness, and how he is able to blow up the point of attack by creating penetration. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is a first round pick in the NFL draft. 
 

That said, there were a lot of missed tackles tonight. Hopefully the team “goes to the doctor” and cleans it up a bit.

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On 10/18/2024 at 11:08 PM, 30Duck said:

, Next Week Rutgers @ USC Kickoff 8:00 PST


That is the worst. I kinda feel bad for the Rutgers players. Ridiculous. 

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On 10/19/2024 at 2:22 AM, Dave23 said:

The Depth at D line is on a level rarely seen in green and yellow.


And, if you follow recruiting, our d-line and its depth is going to continue to be a strength for years to come. Our coaches are doing an unbelievable job recruiting.  

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From 49 to 0 in a week has to be a record, congrats, Purdue!

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On 10/18/2024 at 9:23 PM, Desert Duck said:

As Charles said, I'm not sure that's gonna age very well. 😆

I think what Klatt said is right on.

 

It just makes the Ducks’ win all the more impressive.

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On 10/19/2024 at 5:50 AM, OregonDucks said:


And, if you follow recruiting, our d-line and its depth is going to continue to be a strength for years to come. Our coaches are doing an unbelievable job recruiting.  

And if the recruits aren't ready, or aren't at the level we need, we bring in the transfers. I have a feeling you are right, as Lanning knows the talent he wants and has recruited bigs who can make it to the NFL.

 

Caldwell reminds me of a bigger Jordon Scott. Seems like that is the order of most position, bigger, faster, execute better athletes. I always like Jordon, played with a lot of heart while he was here, filled a need at the time!

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On 10/18/2024 at 11:29 PM, Charles Fischer said:

That will be very hard to do once we get into the Playoffs--with the teams we will face.

 

But for our remaining regular schedule?  Why not break the record over the 12 games?  

 

After all, it is the...

 

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I keep forgetting about the playoff and how that changes everything. But I like the idea of over 12 games. 

 

Bottom line is that this defense is nails. 

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And, the D did this without it’s best player in Burch the last 2 games!

 

Overall, UO has much to improve on, which should be scary to other teams.

Ducks have had A grade results without yet playing an A game, in my opinion.

Clean up the missed open receivers, the dropped passes, kicking game, dumb penalties, and tackling on D.  Lord pity the team that sees our A game.

 

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From SI:

 

"The Ducks' defense led the way, earning the first shutout since 2012, and the first road shutout since the 1992 season."

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It’s dangerous to read too much into this game in terms of room for improvement because a road game +3 hours on a short week after a big win is an atypical scenario.  
 

Two areas of concern: 

(1) Gabriel continues to throw ints on scoring drives late in the half.  This can’t continue because it will bite them.


Specifically, going up 24/28-0 at the half creates an entirely different game situation.  The Ducks O stalled for 15 minutes and the game sat uncomfortably at a 3 score delta.  If Purdue scores to make it 21-7 and the offense having lost its rhythm, the early season vibes rear their ugly head.  IOW, Gabriel needs to be better at driving the first half dagger home. 
 

(2) The D struggled against the run.  Part of that was facing a running QB they had zero film on and, to their credit, the DL got better at contain as the game went on.  The poor tackling was a major factor which I’ll lump in here vs making it its own concern. 
 

Against Wisconsin and Michigan (maybe even Illinois) that becomes a real liability.

 

Again, the result is what matters especially given the variables of the game.  
 

Hopefully the Illinois game shows improvement in these areas 

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On 10/19/2024 at 5:31 AM, cartm25 said:

Charles - Any worry about the Ducks’ offense? Correct me if I’m misquoting you, but I believe you have said, in the past, that to compete for / win the national championship a team needs to average 40+ ppg.

With a four-team Playoff, yes.  Below is a thread about an article I wrote giving my opinions on why we are not scoring as much, and the thread in discussion about it.  If you want to discuss further...please post to that thread since we are discussing defense in this thread.

 

 

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On 10/19/2024 at 9:49 AM, CalBear95 said:

(2) The D struggled against the run.

Purdue actually does not suck at the running game, as they had over 260 rushing yards at Oregon State on the road, and 239 against Illinois.  

 

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