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It is excellent advice. The future of big time football is fluid and everchanging. Dont get locked into anything long term. Of course the 4 border schools could bolt to the BIG 12 if they think the Ducks and dogs arent committed for the long haul. Tough situation for GK. Both the Ducks and dogs have boosters who will pay the potential buy out ro exit early. Especially for the BIG or SEC.

Smith72 thanks for posting this article. Fun to think about the potential of these talented players as the season slowly approahes. I personally hope that those on this Forum with the ability to discuss player potential and development share their thoughts with us. IMHO the competition will be fierce and the very best will make the field. All of the 10 players listed would be starters on almost all PAC schools including the dynamic back stabbing duo in so cal The more of these 10 who perform to their talent level the greater the chance the Ducks win the PAC and head to the CFP. Afterall the Rose Bowl should be the basement for this team, not the ceiling Go Ducks............

Charles the one certainty out of all this mess is that we will get buried by the biggies overtime. You are spot on. This is not just business as usual. This is 2 business entities deciding the haves and have nots. The foundation is not on solid ground. If the lawyer sharks ever discover collusion between the 4 schools and 2 conferences the damages could be untold. In this environment you are guilty until proven innocent. ESPN and Fox would be wise to be generous in their tv rights payments to keep Non revenue sports in tact. It is not wise to be (the buck stops here culprit) if your finger print is all over telling thousands of female collegiate student athletes that their opportunity under the sun is gone. Just saying that the current business model has worked for decades. It just takes 1 Judge and 12 moms, dads, grandmas and grandpas on a jury to unleasch a backlash upon the networks. Or God forbid the government gets involved.

So much info or miss info flying around its difficult to separate fact, fiction and BS. Maybe when all is lost the Beavers look elsewhere. At this moment and thru August 4th the PAC is negotiating exclusive with at least ESPN. It would be a foolish and defeated comment if JS made it. Also, premature. David Marsh IS correct that a diminshed PAC is better than the MWC or Big Sky. I might add its better than the BIG 12. Why because the PAC controls the PST zone. And with a few additions (BYU and BSU) the PAC could control the MST zone. The BIG 12 plays in but must compete with the BIG and ND for the CST zone. Thats tough competition. As long as Oregon and the tail chasing butt sniffers stay together in the PAC the PAC will survive. Hopefully they are all past the everyman for themselves mentality and are working together. The PAC will or should remain a P-5 conference. The PAC is the football and BB content for TV after dark. Stay intact and make the most of that fact and fix the PAC networks distribution problems. Add content that should bring in additional revenue. Then allow a better form of revenue sharing. Hell all the other 9 schools should try improving the product they put on the field. More fans in the seats mean more money in the cash register. Only the foolish will leave the PAC at this point. Of course we have seen the PAC Presidents make many a foolish sports business decision over the years. So really this probably is a foolish post.

Thanks for sharing Charles and Lois get better soon In the last 4 weeks 50% of our companies work force have been out ill with this variant. Our staff is exposed daily so being infected or transmitting the infection is common Stay safe Go Ducks........

Charles, the fallout from 4 schools moving from their traditional conferences is just beginning. However their are hundreds of alumni from every PAC schools who could join together (CoOp) and sponsor one or more non revenue sporys in each school. They could have in house advertising and be named at each game. (Muliple times a game.) Just an example. Free ads on PAC network. The PAC network can be saved with a network partner. Or be the foundation for a streaming partner. Fix the distribution problems. Grow some ... s and take stock in what we have. Hell why not use the Network to broadcast MAC, AAC games etc. Add content and sell. GEEZ. I may not know academics but 44 years of business has taught me that anything is possible. Its a whole new world out there with emerging markets. When Ceasar was stabbed in the back by Brutus, well he died. Is the PAC and PAC Network, Ceasar? Or is the PAC, 10 vibrant, yet diverse universities, with vision and forward thinking. Phil and Penny shouldnt be the only business leaders involved in this.

I think, if Oregon leaves the PAC, they could try and negotiate any deal However, you need interest from multiple partners to bid up the price. Not sure we generate that kind of excitement. We need a conference for scheduling. I would love to see each team be able to keep the revenues from their OOC games. Share the conference and bowl revenue. But let each team schedule bigger OOC paydays and keep the revenue. If thats even possible.

Mario was out the door after the victory in the shoe. Biggest OOC road victory in a decade in college football. Once MC soft pedalled Herbie asking him about the Miami job in the 2nd full week of the season, well the writing was already on the wall Herbie had heard the rumors, whispers and concetures and put 2 and 2 together. Thats okay though. Things usually work out for the best. What comes around goes around. GO DUCKS.......

Charles, revenues Indeed will mean relevance. So i will hold my nose, no matter where we land. 2 points that keep popping in my head. 1. Duck 1972 mentioned that Colorado and others are upset that Oregon and the useless butt sniffers want a bigger slice of the revenue pie. IMHO they should get a bigger slice. Keep this in mind that only Oregon went to tOSU, beat the juggernaut for a bigger pay day. Now the Ducks play Georgia for a $5.65 million dollar payday. And they have to revenue share with the other schools. Schools who for the most part have not nor will not invest in their programs. Besides USC who would get an invite or schedule that big a game with that big of risk. Plus who would risk booking that big og match up. 2. As the lack of interest in Oregon, by other conferences, begins to unfold, i ask myself: A. Do we have an overblown Image of ourselves beyond what it really is. B. Or do other conferences not want to invite the Oregon sports powerhouse into their conference. We would be an Instant contender. Yes its market share but uscuc really is not much of a threat to Iowa or Wisconsin or tOSU.But Oregon is. Chicken ...ts. ........ Lets play some ball. Winning and scoreboard is the key. Teams schedule Oregon for a bigtime game and payout. Those same teams schedule uscuc and uclasuc for victories. GO DUCKS...

TexasDuck you are spot on. They are tethered together. The battle will be over the freedom or lack of that the bruin athletic department has. It would benefit the PAC if uclasuc stayed and stanford got the invite. That way the PAC has a foot in the door of the socal and bay area tv markets. If the BIG wanted to eliminate the PAC completely then they could take all 4 Caifornia schools. And control 2 large tv markets. If Stanford, Cal and uclasuc stay in PAC then invite SDSU to replace the trojan lackeys and lets play ball Go Ducks......great responses, thoughts and ideas on this thread. Well done OBDF members

Well, uclasuc is part of the California Education System. It is an umbrella they cannot escape. No matter where they play ball. The line is drawn in the sand now. It will certainly benefit uclasuc athletic departments bottom line. Or it should. But will it benefit the academic/educational side? More important how will Cal be affected? That is the $64 million question?

Thanks for all the input. Love this forum and all who volunteer and contribute. It is a blessing for the remaining PAC that the 250 million people east of the Rockies need something to watch on Saturday night. espn needs low cost filler games for sure. If we partner with the ACC thru ESPN how many east coasters will be awake to watch the Beavers play the Tarheels or WF play Arizona with a 10:30 est kickoff? ??????? Anyway if it brings added revenue for the PAC schools and keeps us relevant to the CFP then its certainly an avenue to pursue. Nothing against the Beavers vs Tarheels. I will watch any ACC/PAC matchup over usuc or uclasuc vs any BIG. GO DUCKS......

I certainly lack any knowledge about figuring the market value of each individual school based upon households and tv sets...... so please enlighten me on what i am missing My question is are the people who turn on tv sets to watch sports in San Diego or the San Joquim Valley less important than those in LA? Do they not spend money on the same products advertised endlessly during a 4 hour game? Fresno State and San Diego State bring millions of households and tv sets to help replace those lost. Are those viewers less valuable to ESPN? If fox was showing Wisconsin/uclasuc at 5 pst wouldnt espn want a Utah/SDSU or Oregon/Fresno State game to fight for the west coast viewers? Why do those viewers bring less value? I understand that each remaining PAC 10 member will take less if new members dont bring value. But the NW schools cant expect every youngster to come north for all visits. PAC members need a prescence south of the Bay area for young talent to attend some games. When Utah and Colorado came into the league they wanted to be in the South so they could have one game a year in SoCal. It was true then and its true now........

Governor Newson is not the kind of leader you would want to embarass or have as an enemy. From all the articles i have read he was blindsided by this move. He is the Chair of the UC Board of Regents. How the (blank) would you feel about this if you were in his high profile position? He makes the decisions he does not have them made for him by others. As i mentioned in other threads this will boil down to money and mitigating Cals financial long term damage.

2002duck, you are probably spot on. Governor Newson and the rest of the Regents can bluster and position all they want. There is a big difference between following protocols and breaking laws and rules. However, when and if lawyers get involved, well anything can happen. So we shall see WashingtonWaddle, you make good sense about other than the money what is the upside for the Trojans? And there is no upside other than the money for ucla. Ucla would fair better by staying in the PAC. Going after SoCal talent that doesnt want to play Purdue, Minnesota etc. Fight it out against usuck for that talent. DUCati855 and willville, you make good cases for let them hang or who gives a ratz azz. Ucla will be a mid level BIG competitor and usuck will compete to make the BIG title game. Being in the West BIG means Iowa and Wisconsin will have their say on the field. But you still hsve to go thru the juggernaut that is tOSU Michigan, MSU and Penn State. ( Those a compelling reasons for ND to compete in the ACC) Drake, you sum it up best. Changes are going to happen and anything can happen. And our Ducks need to make good choices moving forward. GO DUCKS.........the world is truly far and wide. Chart the best course for your journey.

This creates an interesting but concerning situation for the remaining PAC members. Experience tells me that there will be strong voices in the room that want CAL to not be left behind. Especially on those $100 million annual pay days. Why should your sister store play the same game and make twice as much money? Inadvertantly the Regents could create a situation or float the idea of both schools in the BIG or no UC schools to the BIG. If it boils down to just USC moving then the BIG needs another west coast school. Could that be Stanford? Bay area is a large metro area. Could it be Oregon, Washington? Who knows....... What if the BIG just makes it easier and invites the 4 California schools. No Regents problem and massive metro areas. OUCH FOR THE PAC... The Regents are going to use their so called litigation to get CAL a share of the pie. Sad part is USC doesnt give 2 ....s about any the PAC members including the Bruins.

Joshua you are so correct that the out come of just one game can and most likely will set the teams trajectory for the season. in my opinion the most important game of the 2022 season is the game you are currently playing. Nothing else matters. I am not for moral victories but a solid showing against Georgia will not derail a CFP appearance or shot at the Natty. Just win that game is all that matters. A loss against Georgia means every game and opponent remaining on the Ducks schedule is the most important. A second loss and the CFP is most likely gone. Every conference game and opponent is the most important if your goal is the conference championship and Rose Bowl. With the talent on this team and hopefully great in game coaching there is no excuse for any conference loss barring injuries. 10-2 and the Alamo bowl should be the basement for this squad. Disappointing but the basement of expectations. Gonna be fun to watch. GO DUCKS...........

I would rather stay at 10 teams in the PAC than move to the BIG..... The only BIG games i prefer for the Duck are OOC or Rose Bowl. However, the money would be difficult to ignore. Looking down the road and say a Rose Bowl victory, CFP appearance or a Natty what do you think it will take to pay Coach Lanning. BIG type dollars. Would hate to get outbid by Vanderbilt, Kenrucky, Purdue, Minnesota, etc for Coach Lanning. But alas, wherever, whenever or however i will watch Duck football GO DUCKS.....lets make the smart choices for OBD's future.

This type of recruiting is exciting. It wasnt that long ago that the Ducks were hoping to get recruits insise the espn 300. Now we are actively recruiting top 100 players. I agree with Charles that its important to load the class with 4 and 5 stars. Ones that fit your schemes and are teachable. But those 5 stars are sure enticing.

DazeNconfused, thanks for taking the time to put this article together. I really appreciate all the efforts of the fish duck forum writers. This is a great topic to discuss. This is the point where the rubber meets the road for the entire coaching staff. We all recognize that this staff can recruit top talent. However, the question is can they develope these highly talented players? And QB is at the top of the list I agree with you that this is OBD 's strongest QB room ever. Nix should be ready to roll and prove his leadership in the Georgia game. TT and JB, with proper player developement have no excuse to not step up, also. If the Ducks want 5 star talent on campus then show they can develope the 5 stars they have on campus now. GO DUCKS.......

This is such a breath of fresh air in the grand scope of whats going on. Congrats to Coach Lanning and staff for working tireless to get Dante's verbal No 1 or No 2 ranking doesnt matter. This is a positive addition to the 23 class. Lets add a few more. GO DUCKS..........

Washington Waddler, IMHO fox and espn may very well be manipulating the outcome they want. Those networks claim its about eyeballs. Its the eyeballs that they personally want, nothing more. Fox and espn both had the LA Metroplex already locked up thru the PAC. At way less money than Fox will be paying the BIG. Let that settle in for a moment...... Destroy the PAC and the BIG12 and you eliminate a high priced bidding war with other networks. Pay 4 schools big money to move to greedy conferences for bigger paydays to create what you want. You get ut, ou, usuc and uclasuc to switch to conferences that they have nothing in common with for bigger paydays. Taking the biggest names out of 2 conferences and then paying less for the scrap heaps left behind. Destroying the big game rivalries in the process. Wait, i was wrong. espn stills has the red river rivalry. Just in the conference they want. This way they now get ut/bama, ut/georgia, ou/florida. Big time, prime time conference games. I resign to the fact that this is simply business. fox gets usuc/tosu, usuc/penn state and honestly uclasuc doesnt bring .....to anything. Playing Oregon, WA and Utah yes. Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, not really. So its simply preferred eyeballs. Eyeballs with primetime matchups. So where do the PAC and BIG go from here. For what its worth lets look at the numbers and see if we can create numbers. OBDF members you can decide if their are primetime match ups. And no school gets left behind. Not one single school gets left out The LA metroplex is #2 and has 13,214,799 people. Thats a big number. So lets replace those numbers. Heres what could happen potentially with expansion/mergers. #4 - Dallas/Fort Worth 7,573,136 SMU, Baylor, TCU #5 - Houston/Woodlands Sugarland Houston (7,066,141) If you combine #35 (1,990,660) San Jose/Sunnyvale/Santa Clara with #12 (4,732,803) you have #6 metroplex (Stanford, Cal, San Jose State #17 - San Diego/Chula Vista/Carlsbad (3,238,330) Did you know the fastesr growing California Metro Plex is the Central Valley (7,200,000) Buts lets just stick with the San Joquim Valley (3,693,698) Fresno State The remaining PAC members have the following metroplex positions and numbers #10 Phoenix (4,948,203) #12 San Fran/Oakland/Berkeley (4,731,803) #15 Seattle/Tacoma (3,979,845) #19 Denver/Lakewood (2,967,239) #25 Portland/Vancouver (2,492,412) #47 Salt Lake City (1,265,108) Those metroplexes total 40,253,477 people. This number does not include any schools not listed or the expansion schools coming to the BIG 12. Think Ohio and Florida.That number approaches 50 million people or more..... All the current and future conference members matter, just not to fox/espn. espn and fox is it the numbers of eyeballs or the specific number of eyeballs you want in order to control primetime matchups? PAC and BIG 12 put any petty differences aside and create your own monster. Merge and create one conference with 2 divisions. Play your own Championship game in Las Vegas or Dallas. Then play a championship game with the ACC. That will generate a media bid for that game. Think money.......Then send 2 or 3 teams to CFP. Think more money. Dont let espn dictate to you and take pitty money. PAC, BIG 12 and ACC put your hurt feeling, bruised egos and differences aside. Fight back. Merge in some fashion so you can all get out of exit fees. Create 2 conferences with 4 divisions. Make the networks pay. They dont really want Clemson/Oregon, FSU/Utah, ASU/UNC. Unless they get u cheap. As you lay your head on your cushy presidents pillow tonight realize that fox and espn devalued you to a have not situation. They want you on the cheap. Those POS networks want a Texas/Missouri game in Dallas to have more value than Oregon/Baylor or Utah/Houston game. Think about it. SEC/BIG declared war and espn/fox are funding this war. Fight back. Create and innovate to establish what cant be ignored. Sorry again for this rant. But numbers dont lie. Just fox and espn lie about what numbers matter. Recognize your value in numbers.

Axel you rock. Plain and simple you rock The networks will spin whatever gets clicks. Clicks, clicks and more clicks. I wish CBS and NBC would step up and pay big money and sign media rights for some sort of 2 mega conferences from amongst AAC ACC MWC BIG12 PAC 10 Mid America Sun Belt Once ND, Clemson, FSU, Oregon and Washington are gone to BIG and SEC then fox and espn control college football. You will pay dearly to buy the rights from them to show a marquee game. Lets get it over with. Competition drives the market. fox and espn/abc will shut the others out if possible Just sayin. The writings on the wall.

NJDuck thanks for posting the JC Mailbag article. Appreciate all the OBD Forum team members for digging out and sharing these articles. I have read the article a few times and cant seem to get past the Q & A about possible PAC expansion. This is going to be a personal rant so feel free to ignore this. I just need to get this off my chest. Media partners want teams that bring viewership. Boast alot of TV's and they are interested and willing to pay. Based on that criteria then inviting Baylor, TCU, SMU, Houston and SDSU are no brainers. Dallas, Houston and San Diego more than replace the loss of 5.5 million TV sets in SoCal. But is that the true criteria? Is Fox just interested in the LA consumer? Are LA consumers preferable to Texas consumers? Or are they just out for revenge against espn for infringing on their media rights with the BIG 12? Or both? Do these networks even care about the schools, the athletes, the century old rivalries or any sports beyond football and BB? Do they care that they have caused irreperable damage to 2 Power 5 conferences?. Leaving or forcing 20 plus schools to take the deals they offer for less money.... Wonder when the lawyers start popping up. Obviously this is just my rant on a slow day and i apologize. But I am bothered that potentially Texas Tech, OK State, K State, Kansas, Iowa State, Wash. State, Oregon State and others get kicked to the curb. Simply because they lack sufficient TV sets. That' BS........ 4 schools, 2 networks and 2 networks actively working to hurt others. Forcing rivalries to abandon decades old contests. Destroying the goose that laid the golden egg. You fall in the POS category from my POV...... The have nots helped forge the mega profit center that is college football. There would be no haves without those have nots. For espn to vacate or devalue, on purpose, these schools that they profited from for almost 4 decades is inexcusable. Inexcusable...... These have nots helped you to be what you have become. What a way to treat your partners...... the world wide leader of sports as long as you make me a profit. How much money did ESPN make when game day came to Pullman to cover a have not (WSU ) take on and defeat the juggernaut that is Oregon? And Fox you were a fledgling in college regional sports. The PAC provided quality regional games as did the BIG 12. Where is your loyalty? Sorry OBDF....the more i see and read these articles and see the angst and hurt spreading across this great country, well it all boils down to just a few culprits. 2 conferences 2 networks 4 teams

As in most lists it is all subjective. Without knowing all the writers criteria for his/her final decisions yhen my opinion is thus, subjective. I like LR. He did a great job at OU. He took over the helm of an established powerhouse and did not disappoint. IMHO, OU was and is not the dumpster fire that is uscsuc. His leadership and organizational skills will be challenged. He, like Coach Lanning, has recruited at a high level and utilized the transfer portal very well. The PAC is a wussy conference on the football field of battle. So we shall see which coach steps up. Only one team stands in the way of a NY6 bowl game. That team would be Utah. Thus my vote for top Coach in the PAC would be KW. He gets more out of less and earned his props. Top recognition is earned by results on the field. Not by a coronation aka Colin Cowherd style. Neither Utah or Oregon have an excuse for not making the CFP. Losses to Georgia or Florida will not derail either team. Take care of all the PAC teams and settle it on the field. The winner of both matchups will be off to the CFP. The other a NY6 bowl. And yes you can trust that uscsuc and uclasuc will cash their checks from those games.