DanLduck

OK. I'll be the debi downer (dano downer?) Season 8-4 Independence Bowl 37 ppg Give up 38 ppg Tied for 4th in pac12 But my heart goes with JDuck.

Thats a great point. I agree completely that coaching is more than W and L's. They are developing boys to men. As I reflect on this video, the more convinced I am that it's purposeful. This was not filmed by a bystander, it was done by coach Primes staff. So that just makes me think there is more to it. As for results on the field, that includes how they play, not just W & L. Intensity, discipline, how well they support each other. Remember too, that football is inundated with military jargon and phrases that aren't literal. "Fight" for instance, "kill", "destroy" etc. I am not a supporter of his style, but I hope there is more to his training than meets the eye.

Definitely bad optics. But stupid? I am not a neon dion fan club member, but I certainly understand the value of "team" play. Being willing to give it all for your fellow teammate. Coach Lanning is attempting to develop the same type attitude, only with much different means. DL preaches/teaches family, not gang membership. Coach Sanders has shown to be quite different in many respects then what most of us here at OBD appreciate. His results on the field will be the proof of his methodology. This video was clearly shot intentionally, low angle. Was this part of Sanders crew that follows his every move? If so, he definitely was making a point he wants everyone to know, is he trying to "sell" his toughness to recruits? Colorado is the "great experiment" this year. They are doing something no one else has ever done before, build a whole new team from scratch, and be able to compete at D1 level. There is little time for development of a new culture. It has to be installed. Forced even, if necessary. I'm an old white guy. I don't pretend to have an understanding of the background that most of these young men come from. Maybe coach Prime has insights I don't have. Lastly, like all social media posts, we aren't getting the whole story. We don't see what coach has been saying all season. We don't see what he may have said as follow up in team meeting. What I do know is that every one, every team, needs an identity. And everyone responds to different types of motivation. As I said before, the proofs will be seen on the field. DS may be "stupid as a fox". And personally, I am grateful that we have coach Lanning and his staff.

I thought Joey H response was awesome. He is the consumate Duck.

In an evaluation interview with my boss (quite a few years back), after looking over the scores I gave myself, he said, "you seem to have a higher opinion of yourself than anyone else". I knew then I wasn't getting the promotion. The Pac12 leadership group appears to have suffered from the same delusions. While the two former commissioners certainly deserve a good deal of blame, there seems to be plenty to go around. The presidents long support of Scott (with OSU & ASU leading the way) and failure to give football the attention ($$$) it deserved, was devastating. Believing their own press clippings (we're the conference of champions) didn't help either. This arrogance is almost laughable when compared to how the rest of the country and networks think of us. Being misled by USuC president is also a major cause in my book. A perfect storm of malfeasance and greed and ineptitude. I personally have one ray of light from all this. My 16 year old grandson has been a Beaver fan since he was 4 (only one in the family!) Now that they will play in separate conferences, he has agreed he will now cheer for the Ducks to win (until they play each other in a bowl). I will happily take this as a small victory for the horrible leadership and collapse of the Pac. Now let's go win this last season!

New Mexico? Air Force? Wyoming? Together with Stanford? Or Cal? Sorry, not seeing it. It does make some sense, but too much pride to make it work.

What's not to be fascinated with?! They not only rock the looks, Oregon plays a very entertaining, fun to watch brand of football. The missus and I have been blessed to do quite a bit of traveling the past 16 years, in and outside the US. We always wear Duck gear when we travel (suitcases are green with yellow ribbons attached), everywhere we go, people recognize the "O". It has been so fun to hear "go Ducks" as we walk around in some remote place far from Eugene. Yeah, the uni's are way cool!

My biggest surprise is that we on the left coast, Pac12 leadership included, did not realize just how little value we held for the rest of the country. Espn apparently is content to let Fox and others control the media here. I've heard it called "east coast bias", but it seems now to be more disdain. I would have thought someone like Kliakoff should have been able to "read the room" better. I'm also impressed that Canzano's inside guy, Bob Thompson, was so spot on with his analysis. His comments make the Pac leadership seem really inadequate.

You're amazing FishDuck!!

The uncivil beavus fans can keep the "civil" war game. And paying lots of $$ is a silly idea. Maybe the pac4 can revive and gather 6 more teams. Then the Apple deal will seem worth it. In the mean time, they really are acting like a little brother.

At least!!

You know, I'm already tired of trying to determine why the collapse. It's over. There's no going back. Finding someone(s) to blame is truly a needless, pointless endeavor. There will be no "stopping this in the future". It's done. WSU, OSU and the others saw the same 'writing on the wall'. Like everyone else in the world, you gotta take care of home first. One last Pac12 season is left. And by all accounts, it should be one of the best one in decades! I can't wait until we are talking about the games! I mean seriously, the Pac is really loaded this year. Let's play ball! (Sorry for ranting)

It depends totally on what Fox wants. To add the 2 schools requires Fox to pay up more $$. Also, a 20 team league really makes scheduling more difficult. Lastly, is the Bay area really that desirable? They lost a hockey team, a basketball team, a football team and now the baseball team wants to move to Vegas. Attendance at the 2 schools is poor. I would not offer them any $$. Both schools are outstanding academic bastions of learning, but who pays to watch that?!

Lannings buyout, should he leave, is 20M. That's a lot for any team to pay to get a coach, regardless of how good he is. While I wish the Pac could have stayed together, being part of the B1G will only help our football team. Should also help all other teams. Regarding long flights, perfect time for online classes, or even team meetings. Seeing us play B1G teams regularly, without having to wait for Rosebowl, is a dream come true.

Whatever USuC fans think about how great they used to be, all current high school kids have seen how Oregon has been better on the field for these kids entire lives. So the past 15 years is the timeline of influence for all high school recruits. Couple that with coach Lanning &Co recruiting skills, why would any serious kid go to LA?! Think about the current flip, Dakoda Fields, all DL has to say is look how many UGA kids got drafted to NFL. We run the same D. We develop players. We win games. It's a no brainer. I think Trojan fans inhale too much wild-wood-weed to have a firm grasp of reality

If my memory serves correctly, OSU was one of the biggest supporters of Larry Scott, who most give a lot of blame to for contributing to the Pac12 demise. Except for last year and a couple other years in the past 25, neither WSU or OSU have done much in any sport. Baseball clearly has been successful for the Beavs, but it loses $$ every year. Baseball can continue to be successful as many Group of 5 schools currently are. While I feel a little bad for their current athletes, don't we all think that the Beavs and Cougs have always been a better fit for the Mt. West. Maybe the Beavs should paint their field orange and black. They'd fit right in.

I think the major players would prefer the west coast teams to continue to beat up each other. Having UW, USC and UCLA every year would help increase odds of a loss before playing the other B1G teams. Remember, all decisions are what's best for tOSU and UM.

I wonder how long it will take to see the major players in Autzen. I'm guessing we see Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, and Minnesota before Penn St. or even MSU, let alone tOSU or UM!

If being in the B1G helps the Dawgs, how much more will it help us! We already out recruit them. Adding B1G territory will only strengthen that. Biggest concern for me is travel, especially for all other sports. Even in the pro's, the team that travels the farthest often struggle. With the way air travel has been of late, we could see lots of flight delays and long travel times. If we don't already, best we buy a jet, or sign a deal with a private company to charter our teams. The times, they are a changing. I would LOVE to win one more Pac12 championship.

We now have a hockey team! It's no longer a club sport.

I love listening to these coach's interviews. They make me wish I could suit up for them! No wonder so many blue-chip guys want to come here. Coach Lanning isn't afraid to have smart, strong, great coaches around him. Articulate, intelligent, experienced, what a great group. I'd say we have nothing to fear from B1G competition. Go Ducks!

Actually, he's the Beaver guy. We will hear lots if this kind of talk in the immediate future. We, as Duck fans, need to let it roll off our backs. This really started with USuC, and finished with an impossible media deal. And if the shoe was on the other foot, it surely would end the same. UO pres says the competition with OSU will continue (if they allow it) but life is hard sometimes. Beaver fans have for a very long time been very vitriolic about us Ducks. Even to the point of absurdity. They have a lot of gall expecting us to take it in the shorts to benefit them. When have they ever done anything for us. In fact, when was the last time you read or heard a Beaver even be "civil" regarding us Ducks?! So syonara rodents. Enjoy dominating the Mt. West...if you can!

Finally!! Football. Is. Back! Now we can talk about actual "football" and not speculation. Go DUCKS!!

Hind sight is always 20-20. When OK & UT announced they were joining the SEC (or rather it was leaked) George K had only been on the job for a few weeks. He had not had time to feel out Pac12 leadership for expansion thoughts, and no one but USC knew about their plans to bolt. The Pac12 seemed destined for remaining strong. So holding back and waiting was not necessarily a bad idea. Expansion was difficult because the main thinking was still academics first. Also, the political climate could make things difficult to add religious based schools such as BYU, Baylor, TCU and others. Rushing into expansion seemed too risky. Now, we wish we had done so. I can't believe Fox or ESPN will risk losing the west coast. But, they do seem to have the leverage. I also believe that any future expansion has to be included for a media deal to bid on. If San Diego or Dallas are to be included, this can only help the bottom line. We are 1 month away from real football. I sure hope we can hang on and stay together until then.

Ouch! and hilarious!! I don't know if my tears are from laughing so hard, or from fear that it's too close to the truth!