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At some point you got to throw these kids like Ty or Moore in there and let them make mistakes, then see if they learn from them. That's part of the process. Shough did lots of great things but kept throwing that same pick to the underneath cover guy he kept not seeing. I was disappointed he didn't improve on that. We could see by the way he started playing tighter the coaches had showed him over in over in film trying to coach him up. Then they dialed they playbook back on him. In retrospect that was a bad move and probably driven by risk adverse Mario, worst thing they could have done was break Shough's confidence in himself. It must be hard as a new college QB to lose the coaches being in your corner, you lose that we believe in you, and we are going to coach you up and come through this together.

I just watched Donte Moore's and watched Ty Thompson's videos and I don't see much difference between them. Here is what I did notice. They both have great arms for sure, Ty looks like a better runner. Unless they got flushed out of the pocket 100% of the throws were to one side of the field and most were a one reed throw. These kids aren't going through a chain of progressions. At best they have two maybe three guys running routes on the same side of the field, and they have a primary and maybe a secondary read. Mostly it's a one read and throw the ball. They are showing composure to be able to check the ball down when flushed or even get flushed and keep the eyes down field and find an open guy. They do that well! But there is no looking DB's off, not looking to the non-play side at the snap and then bringing eyes back to the field side. They also are mostly eyes on the first read and the ball is out, you don't really see them moving to a second read much on the same side of the field. The offensive schemes are beating the defensive, they don't create pre-snap confusion for the QB's in their coverage, they aren't disguising coverage per-snap well either. The talent level of the DB's means the primary receiver is open most of time. Guess what Ty has struggled with the most in college? Better pre-snap disguising of coverage, better DB talent making him have to go through more progressions. Better defensive schemes making him have to bring his eyes across the entire field and having tighter windows to throw into. I fell in love with Ty's tape when I saw the throws he could make in high school, and I see the same in Moore. But college is a huge step up and there is a learning curve unless your Trevor Lawerance. We need for Don'te, and for Ty's sake to, Dilly to help these guys develop and make the game easier at the start for them. The more complex college OC scheme can use way more pre-snap motion than I saw in the HS tape to help the QB's read if the cover is man or zone, they can scheme more spread route trees to open more space across the field to help the QB's. They can run simple college plays that the QB can look off and then come back to a primary receiver. But in the end to be really good these kids have to be able to get through their progressions across the field on every passing play in the book, they need to be able to read pre-snap where they want to go with the ball and be able to look off that guy and come to him right before they want to release the ball. The good QB's use their eyes again the defense and the bad ones let the defense use their eyes against them.

Deboer had Fresno St play us to a one score game last year, he beat UCLA on the road. He beat San Diego St on the road when they were ranked 21st, and he had Fresno ranked inside the Top 25 at one-point last year. This guy is an Elite offense coach who develops and teaches his players to execute his system and then Deboer calls on heck of a game from the sidelines. Here is where Frenso St last 4 classes rank on 247 sports 2018 - 92 2019 - 86 2020- 103 2021 - 75 Deboer put up 10 wins with that talent last year and went 2-1 against top 25 team on the road. So, now Deboer is already has better talent at UW and is recruiting better talent then he had at Frenso. hmmmm.............

Following Duck recruiting for years I have a real measured take. I want the best class we can get, but anything inside the top 15 I don't think we can really complain about. Recruiting cycles ebb and flow, it's more about doing a consistent solid job, you don't have to land THE EPIC class every year. As long as we fill our position needs in the class and coach them up, we will be fine of we go 15, 9, 12, 7 in the next 4 years. But I'd also take 9,5,7, 3 rated classes too.

It seems the consensus is that Duck fans are fiercely loyal and protective of their players that have been loyal to them. I don't remember there being as many concerns for Chase Cota possibly taking playing snaps from a player already on the roster when he transferred, and he was a legacy player that spurned Oregon for Chip Kelly and UCLA. I understand Eli'jah was a commit that that didn't stay loyal to that commitment, so there is some difference. I can see both sides of the issue, but I don't begrudge at 18-year-old who just had the head coach in Taggart leave changing his mind and not deciding he not to come play for Cristobal. My impression watching the video I posted in the thread is that Mom and Dad Winston raised these kids up right, and they are humble and grateful kids. We are lucky to have two of the Winston boys be Ducks.

hmmm.. usually, Elite QB's like him will commit by the end of July so they can help recruit the class.

Laduke was a 3-star on the 247 composite. He was lower rated than Winston and Winston played 6 games his redshirt freshman year at USC around a turf toe I have concerns about LaDuke's. He's raw, his reads and footwork in pass coverage need work and seem to be the weakest of the MLB group by far. Watch the first play in the video of this FishDuck article I linked. Watch LaDuke next to Bassa at MLB and see how slow LaDuke reads the play. He misses the play fake and keeps coming in, it's not until Bo Nix finishes his drop back to pass that LaDuke puts his foot in the ground and starts his drop at the 4 second mark. Bassa does it right and LaDuke has an extremely poor Rep. LaDuke can't stay on the field with reps like that, Basa and most likely Brown will jump him. Hopefully LaDuke proves me wrong and improves his reads and footwork, but right now I rate LaDuke as a downhill gap filling guy and weak in pass cover. EDIT: I'm not hating on LaDuke, I respect the kid. He has busted tail to bulk since he got here! I like taking a project kid that is willing to bust tail. The fact is LaDuke is from Sparks Nevada in 4A football. Winston went to Central Catholic Portland with a solid coaching staff and better competition. Plus, LaDuke didn't have all the 7 on 7 camp time that Brown did and Bassa is a converted safety. I hope LaDuke becomes an impact guy, but he has a longer road to develop into that type of college players than the others. Coach Dillingham's Offensive Attack Philosophy Confirmed with... FISHDUCK.COM Oregon Offensive Coordinator Kenny Dillingham has explained how he prefers a fast-tempo offense and in particular—taking advantage of one-on-one matchups that...

Eli'jah's career has pretty much been a Bust so far due to injuries. He has played in parts of like 10 games in 4 years. If he still has NFL dreams, he if a LONG shot. I agree is he wants a shot at the NFL he would be better off to go to a smaller school and build up his game film. But he would have to have 100 tackles this year to make it on the radar of even being considered late draft pick, but he isn't NFL draft pick fast for an inside backer. Best Winston would get is an offer as an undrafted free agent contract. There are only 7 rounds and 234 kids drafted and Winston was rated #364 in his calls, the lowest of 4-stars. I think for Winston in his last year it's a choice of having one more year to have fun playing football. Does he go back to USC as a backup where he has relationships with his teammates? Does he come to Oregon if they have a spot for him, play the backup close to home with his brother. Or does he go to an entirely new situation that he gets substantial playing time? I think if there's a spot, he comes to Oregon to be close to home and play with his little brother. He can for sure contribute here as a backup and we usually get medical retirement or two before fall camp starts.

Watch this video and see if you change your mind about him coming to Oregon. I don't see Eli'jah as a person who is going to upset the locker room, some current Ducks played with his older brother, and his little brother is an incoming freshman.

USC brought in transfer line backers Shane Lee from Bama and Eric Gentry from ASU and want to go with the youth inside for their rebuild on defense. USC moved Winton to rush edge this spring where he was 3rd on the depth chart behind 5-star Corey Foreman the former #1 edge in his class, and Auburn transfer Romello Height. I believe Winston took official visits to UCLA and Cal. UCLA has two senior and one junior at inside linebacker. Cal's DC Perter Sirmon's son Jackson Sirmon transferred in from UW for his senior year and is #1 on the depth chart at inside linebacker, with two other juniors. In short Eli'jah doesn't have a bunch of good options to transfer into a starting spot at this point. Coming to Oregon and being a backup inside linebacker might be his best route, and he could also provide depth behind Swinson in case he gets banged up.

Yes, it is big! These are highly rated kids

It's our young coaching staff, they are cool dudes to these kids and have coaching chops.

The real question is what's the Big 10's end game is? Are they set on getting to a Super Conference and soon? Wat's the end number of the Super Conference? 20, 22, 24 teams? After ND, Kanas could fit and add huge BB school. UW, UO, Stanford, Utah, Colorado... that's 23 teams.. throw in a Arizona, Baylor or Texas Tech? The Big 10 can cherry pick the west and SW to make a 12 team West Division to pair with a 12 team East if they want to go that far.

I got to do some more research and reading because last I knew ND and NBC extended their deal in 2017 through 2025 and it was paying $15 million a year to ND. I don't get how the Big 10 is going to get a deal pay ND $80 to 100 million a year when the SEC new deal with ESPN pays the whole conference $300 million a year. For the Big 10 to share 80 to 100 million they would have to get a deal over 1 billion per year and who is going to pay the 3 times what ESPN just paid the SEC? If so, then the SEC sure signed a bad deal lol I don't get it, but I'll do some reading and see if I can find what you read that's saying this. Maybe I'm 100 miles behind how much the TV money being paid is inflated, thanks for scooping me on this. Edit.. just read the 1 billion a year on bloomberg... how cow!!!!

I'm confused where you are getting that ND is going to get 100 million a year? The SEC deal with ESPN is 300 million a year, how is ND going to end up with 100 million for itself? Right now, I've read ND get $15 million a year from NBC. Please explain what I'm missing or misunderstand of you post.

ND is the big fish because they will bring a lot of revenue. ND has an agreement with the ACC. Based on ND playing a partial ACC schedule there is a clause that if ND joins a conference it has to be the ACC. So, the lawyers are going to have to justify why ND can break that agreement. It's also my understanding that any ACC school who leaves the ACC before 2035 has to pay a $50 million fee.

Oh, that is a smoking gun for sure

The Pac 12 is Dead, so is the ACC and the Big 12. It's all the SEC and Big 10 Super Conferences now. I was on a Miami board last night and they think the ACC is Dead. They are ready to jump ship now!

Let's follow the money............... ESPN and the SEC started this WAR by poaching Texas and Oklahoma and also took the SEC TV rights from CBS to ESPN. ESPN is paying the SEC $300 million a year for 10 years in the deal. Total 3 billion. The Big 10 TV deal with Fox - ESPN expires at the end of the 2022 season. The Pac12 TV deals with Fox - ESPN expire at the end of 2023. So, the keys here are that the SEC already made their TV deal with ESPN and the Big 10 is next in line to make it's TV deal ESPN wants to buy some Big 10 games to fill in around its cornerstone of the SEC games. With ESPN, ESPN2, ABC and ESPN-College they need more programing than just the SEC. ESPN is hoping to fill in 2nd tier Big 10, ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12 games. ESPN wants to be the 800-pound gorilla of college football TV. There are 3 buyers for the BIG 10's next TV deal, CBS-Fox and ESPN. The Big 10 just added more value to that deal with USC and UCLA. But if they can make a 20 team Super Conference, they drive that TV deal value up even higher and have enough games for CBS, FOX, FS1 and FS2. Thats 10 TV games a week for the Big 10 in the East and West divisions every week. Well FOX and CBS can eat all those games up and leave ESPN hung out to dry. ESPN would be stuck with backfilling in only ACC and Big 12 games. FOX-CBS are going to pay a ton of money to STOP ESPN from ruling college football TV and a Big 10 Super Conference is what they need. The BIG 10 is selling full season of programing and a Conference Championship Game, and they will get paid more than the SEC got from ESPN. Now if Notre Dame goes to the Big 10, I don't know what happens to the NBC TV deal, but I'm sure that will work out. I do know if I'm the Big 10 I'm adding four more teams ASAP and have the leverage of what two Conferences used to have for my TV deal.

I don't really want this for the Ducks BUT............. I HATE the SEC so if this is how it goes, I hope this sneak attack put the SEC on the defensive!

We have to admit the B1G kept this quiet and launched the counterattack to the SEC in impressive fashion. We are talking Billions in TV money, this is serious stuff

We can sit here wringing our hands but let call this what it is. The B1G is playing chess not checkers. This is AFL vrs NFL type stuff. I think the B1G is going for the throat here and not going to let the SEC be the first Super Conference. They got USC and UCLA so they need 4 more schools, and they can go West / East Divisions. So, they need 4 more west or southwest teams. They can go add UW, UO, Stanford, Notre Dame and throw USC, UCLA, Minnestoa, Indiana, Nebraska and Iowa in the West. They have pierced the Pac 12 so taking their pick of the rest they want is logical. If they don't want Stanford and they can't get Notre Dame, then they can grab Baylor and Texas Tech for the SW footprint. It's a smart move by the B1G as they are the only Conference with the clout to steer a counter move to the SEC expansion. The B1G could get UW, UO and make a run at Clemson and Miami... it's all about making 20 teams and doing it first so they get to pick before the SEC. Travel is going to increase but that's the price you pay for having the coast-to-coast conference that will bring the B1G the big TV MONEY Of course, the SEC could counter and go after Clemson, UNC, Miam, Notre Dame. This is a race to 20 teams, and you want to be the first!

If I was Mullens I'd be calling the B1G Commish and telling NOW is his chance to make me an offer to adds the Ducks and lose UCLA.

Cristobal made hospital visit to console, offer WR injured at Legends Camp MIAMI.RIVALS.COM Mario Cristobal showed Koby Howard his personal side after the WR broke his leg at Legends Camp. Almost like a politician getting a photo OP, he's good