Charles Fischer Administrator No. 1 Share Posted August 7, 2023 This is an extension of the prior thread dealing with the remaining four teams of the original Pac-12. (We want threads to stop at one page in the future, and start a new thread when we get to over 50 replies) Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 2 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Yikes. Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 4 Share Posted August 7, 2023 3 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 6 Share Posted August 7, 2023 A little late! If you were not accepted because you don't have a great brand or following...whose fault is that? Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 8 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Ruh-Roh! Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Santa Rosa Duck No. 10 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Met with a DUCK Buddy at the gym this morning. We were both sad but resigned to the change. Media drives everything. Oregon State has a team this year that is a threat to anyone. They sure beat us last year. Washington State especially under Mike Leach could compete but both these universities have very small media markets and they will probably be relegated to the Mountain West or similar and both be attacked and decimated by the Transfer Portal. I care less about Stanford and Cal. They are resident in a big media market but no one at either university, from admin to students to alumni care about football and the smaller sports especially Title 9 are going to suffer. They each will be raided for their current talent. I will stick around to see how this all shakes out but I am going to surely miss the tradition and rivalries. GO DUCKS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandaian No. 11 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Oh, I forgot about the Cal deal with UCLA. UCLA owes Cal money because of the difference in TV payment. With the PAC dissolving, UCLA is going to own Cal a whole lot more money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennsylvania Duck Moderator No. 12 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Top Landing Spots for Stanford, Cal, WSU, Oregon State amid Pac-12 Conference Rumors And then there were four. The dissolution of the Pac-12 has become the biggest storyline of the college football offseason, as Oregon, USC, Washington, UCLA, Arizona, Utah, Arizona State and Colorado will all be headed elsewhere starting with the 2024 campaign. It was already known that USC and UCLA were going to the Big Ten, but Oregon and Washington will be as well. And Arizona, Utah and Arizona State will be coming to the Big 12 along with Colorado. That leaves Stanford, Cal, Washington State and Oregon State without a long-term home and with plenty of uncertainty. Here is a look at some potential landing spots for the four remaining schools and some rumors regarding their future. Top Landing Spots for Stanford, Cal, WSU, Oregon State amid Pac-12 Conference Rumors BLEACHERREPORT.COM And then there were four. The dissolution of the Pac-12 has become the biggest storyline of the college football offseason, as... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven A Moderator No. 13 Share Posted August 7, 2023 IF, a big if, the Pac adds enough schools to still qualify as an auto-qualifier to the CFP, then little bro OSU is in great shape for that bid. P.S. Are they "little step bro" now? Asking for a Corvallis friend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 14 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Pac-12 collapse: A 5-step guide to rebuilding the conference around the 4 schools left behind Pac-12 collapse: A 5-step guide to rebuilding the conference around the 4 schools left behind WWW.OREGONLIVE.COM Stanford, Cal, OSU and WSU could follow a 64-year-old blueprint for survival. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 15 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crazyjeff No. 19 Share Posted August 7, 2023 The arrogance of Stanford and Cal will ultimately be their downfall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandaian No. 20 Share Posted August 7, 2023 I think Stanford likes having sports, but they aren't about winning for them. Most sites have Stanford with the 3rd largest endowment out of all the universities at 36.3 billion. If they wanted to invest in sports, they always had the money. I wouldn't be surprised if they asked to join the Ivy League. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirklandduck Moderator No. 21 Share Posted August 8, 2023 ACC exploring possibility of adding Stanford, Cal WWW.OREGONLIVE.COM Pac-12 left with 4 members of defections to Big Ten, Big 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 22 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Conference Realignment: Notre Dame "Pushing hard" for ACC to add Cal and Stanford Could the ACC expand and add more schools to the conference? https://www.si.com/college/georgiatech/football/conference-realignment-notre-dame-pushing-hard-for-acc-to-add-cal-and-stanford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 23 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Stanford coach Troy Taylor speaks on potential move to the ACC: 'I'm OK with traveling' Taylor is working to keep a solid first recruiting class intact in the face of uncertainty Stanford coach Troy Taylor speaks on potential move to the ACC: 'I'm OK with traveling' - CBSSports.com WWW.CBSSPORTS.COM Taylor is working to keep a solid first recruiting class intact in the face of uncertainty Stanford's Troy Taylor 'can't imagine anything' other than Power 5 football Stanford's Troy Taylor 'can't imagine anything' other than Power 5 football - ESPN WWW.ESPN.COM "I think the players that committed to us and came here, they want to play Power 5 football, and that is what our intention is with this university," Stanford coach Troy Taylor said Tuesday. "I can't... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 24 Share Posted August 10, 2023 We all know Stanford and Cal won't join the MW. But still a possibility with OSU and WSU either joining or merging. Pac-12 conference would be a more viable conference due to its Power conference status. Mountain West commissioner pursues expansion, mulls possible Pac-12 merger Mountain West commissioner pursues expansion, mulls Pac-12 merger WWW.ON3.COM In an exclusive interview, Mountain West Commissioner Gloria Nevarez discusses hopes to expand and the turbulent state of college sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 25 Share Posted August 10, 2023 WSU president preparing realignment moves from 'bad spot' WSU president preparing realignment moves from 'bad spot' - ESPN WWW.ESPN.COM Washington State University president Kirk Schulz said he and AD Pat Chun need "to roll up our sleeves and get to work" in the wake of Pac-12 defections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 26 Share Posted August 10, 2023 After mass exodus, Washington State AD says Pac-12: 'Mismanaged itself on a bunch of different levels' Washington State is one of four Pac-12 teams left after the latest tidal wave of realignment After mass exodus, Washington State AD says Pac-12: 'Mismanaged itself on a bunch of different levels' - CBSSports.com WWW.CBSSPORTS.COM Washington State is one of four Pac-12 teams left after the latest tidal wave of realignment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kamikaze Kid Moderator No. 27 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Some thoughts; Cal and Furds arrogance has been, still is and will be the downfall of the Pac as long as they're members. This just squanders a potentially huge bay area media market which does nothing positive in media deal negotiations. If they leave for the ACC, consider it a blessing in disguise. GK is an anchor around the Pac's neck. He is clearly in way over his head and the thought of the Pac being stuck paying him 3.5M a year to stay in over his head, ouch. SD St and SMU should already be Pac members. Leaving SD St hang out to dry for no reason is inexcusable and again shows that GK is in over his head. Right now, the Pac could be at six members and just needing a couple more to stabilize at eight would be much more doable providing Cal and Furds arrogance didn't get in the way. Just bringing in UNLV and Fresno St shouldn't be that hard. Bring in someone else to negotiate a media deal. If you can't get rid of GK and his 3.5M a year contract, then put him at the kids table and bring in a legit negotiator to get something done. Ride the Beavs football success for media negotiations. OSU should continue to be a top 25 team this year and a favorite to be one next year and in to the future. SD St and Fresno ST should also. I'd wait until after football season to try to find a new deal highlighting these teams along within the new Vegas and Dallas markets. The Pac's future is still possible but the leadership that remains may be it's downfall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennsylvania Duck Moderator No. 28 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ducker1 No. 29 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Stanford and Cal both have had terrible home attendance. If you cant get the locals to support the teams how are you going to gain positive national attention? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennsylvania Duck Moderator No. 30 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Sources: Cal, Stanford to ACC hits 'significant roadblocks' After ACC presidents met Wednesday night, the pursuit of Cal and Stanford for conference membership "hit significant roadblocks," sources told ESPN. No vote was taken, but conversations about expansion among the league presidents are expected to continue as they wrestle with the best way to position the league into the future, sources said. Sources confirmed one school that has been pushing for the addition of Cal and Stanford is Notre Dame, which is a member in the ACC in all sports except football. Notre Dame does get a vote on expansion, and it has a long history with Stanford. The fit from an Olympics sports perspective is attractive, too. But multiple athletic directors have questioned why anyone in the league would listen to Notre Dame because the Irish remain so steadfast in remaining independent. Much more info in article... Sources: Cal, Stanford to ACC hits 'significant roadblocks' - ESPN WWW.ESPN.COM The ACC presidents met Wednesday night, and the pursuit of Cal and Stanford for conference membership has "hit significant... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noDucknewby No. 31 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Just speculating here, but at some point I can't help but think the B1G academics are going to throw Furd/Cal a lifeline (at a bargain basement price of course). Stanford doesn't need the money so they would be fine, but I guess Cal would just have to figure it out somehow (what real choice do they have?). I just don't think the ACC bid will pan out regardless of ND's advocacy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanLduck No. 32 Share Posted August 10, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 10:52 AM, noDucknewby said: Just speculating here, but at some point I can't help but think the B1G academics are going to throw Furd/Cal a lifeline (at a bargain basement price of course). Stanford doesn't need the money so they would be fine, but I guess Cal would just have to figure it out somehow (what real choice do they have?). I just don't think the ACC bid will pan out regardless of ND's advocacy. It depends totally on what Fox wants. To add the 2 schools requires Fox to pay up more $$. Also, a 20 team league really makes scheduling more difficult. Lastly, is the Bay area really that desirable? They lost a hockey team, a basketball team, a football team and now the baseball team wants to move to Vegas. Attendance at the 2 schools is poor. I would not offer them any $$. Both schools are outstanding academic bastions of learning, but who pays to watch that?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noDucknewby No. 33 Share Posted August 10, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 2:00 PM, DanLduck said: It depends totally on what Fox wants. To add the 2 schools requires Fox to pay up more $$. Also, a 20 team league really makes scheduling more difficult. Lastly, is the Bay area really that desirable? They lost a hockey team, a basketball team, a football team and now the baseball team wants to move to Vegas. Attendance at the 2 schools is poor. I would not offer them any $$. Both schools are outstanding academic bastions of learning, but who pays to watch that?! I pretty much agree with everyone you say, but I still feel the academics hold some sway. Fox could possibly be persuaded as an enticement to ND whom they would love to poach from NBC. Not saying any of this makes much sense, but what in the last week has? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 34 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Isn't this when the B1G shows up and offers 10 million a year each to Cal and 'Furd? Better than "Broke Pac Mountain," and fitting academically? 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllOregon No. 35 Share Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) Clemson, Florida St, North Carolina, and NC St are the current no votes keeping Stanford and Cal out of the ACC. They need one to flip, which is unlikely. This is good news if you are a Beav or Coug, better chance of PAC surviving via expansion or merger. It’s dead without Stanford. https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/11/stanford-cal-acc-unlikely-future-unclear-pac-12 Edited August 11, 2023 by AllOregon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennsylvania Duck Moderator No. 36 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Where do Pac-12's remaining 4 end up after latest conference realignment shakeup? A week after the Pac-12 lost five teams to the Big Ten and Big 12, the conference’s future — if there is any — may be in the hands of the Cardinal. The other remaining Pac-12 teams — Cal, Oregon State and Washington State — twist in the wind, their futures potentially contingent on a decision from a 132-year-old university. While an array of options have been discussed during gatherings with leaders of the Pac-12's remaining members — most of them without commissioner George Kliavkoff present — Stanford’s decision is at the center of answering a vexing question: Where do the four schools go from here? Where do Pac-12's remaining 4 end up after latest conference realignment shakeup? SPORTS.YAHOO.COM Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State don't have too many options after being left behind, but it's clear which school... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennsylvania Duck Moderator No. 37 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Oregon State president Jayathi Murthy tells campus the school’s future is preserving the Pac-12 Oregon State, stunned a week ago when five schools decided to leave the Pac-12, has decided its best path is rebuilding the conference. In a statement to “OSU Community Members,” school president Jayathi Murthy wrote that “we continue to believe that preserving the Pac-12 is in the best interests of OSU student-athletes and the remaining universities, and so we are doing everything in our control to stabilize and rebuild the conference.” Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State and Utah decided last Friday to leave the Pac-12, joining Colorado, USC and UCLA. The only schools remaining in the conference are Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and California. The Pac-12′s current configuration finishes at the end of the 2023-24 school year. A rebuilt Pac-12 could have as few as six schools, at least for two years to retain FBS status. A new-look Pac-12 could add schools such as San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, Boise State, SMU, Rice and Tulane, among others. Please read article for Murthy's complete statement... Oregon State president Jayathi Murthy tells campus the school’s future is preserving the Pac-12 WWW.OREGONLIVE.COM The Beavers are scrambling to find a conference future after five schools bolted from the Pac-12 last Friday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 38 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Sources: Stanford, Cal’s Future Unclear With ACC Candidacy Unlikely to Pass The Bay Area schools, along with Oregon State and Washington State, are evaluating other options as the Pac-12 continues to crumble. Stanford and California’s candidacy for admission to the Atlantic Coast Conference has stalled one vote short, sources familiar with the process tell Sports Illustrated. While league members have stopped short of declaring that the Bay Area schools’ addition to the league is off the table, it doesn’t appear likely that the results will change. The two members of the disintegrating Pac-12 need 12 of the 15 members of the ACC to support their move. Four schools stood opposed when the issue was discussed Wednesday night, sources say: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina and North Carolina State. Lacking the requisite numbers, sources say it is unlikely that the potential expansion of the league will be put to a formal vote. Sources described ACC members Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech and Louisville as among the most vocal in advocating for the Cardinal and Golden Bears to join the league. ACC commissioner Jim Phillips has been leading the discussion, presenting financial and scheduling scenarios to the league members. In explaining his advocacy for Cal and Stanford this week, Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick told ESPN, “The notion that two of the very best academic institutions in the world who also play [Division I] sports could be abandoned in this latest chapter of realignment is an indictment of college athletics.” The selling points for Stanford and Cal’s admission to the league: elite academics and broad-based sports excellence, both of which fit with the general ACC profile. The drawbacks: distance, the lack of football impact in recent years and thus the lack of an appreciable addition to the league’s per-school revenue. Barring a change of heart that would give Cal and Stanford the 75% voting threshold, the two schools and fellow Pac-12 members Oregon State and Washington State are evaluating other options. The American Athletic Conference and the Mountain West both would be interested in adding the four schools, or some combination of them. The Mountain West offers geographic continuity, while the AAC has the richer media-rights distributions. https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/11/stanford-cal-acc-unlikely-future-unclear-pac-12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 39 Share Posted August 12, 2023 With Clemson and FSU and the 2 NC teams being among the 7 who have threatened to crater the ACC for a better media deal, why would they vote to add more members and make it more difficult to find the number of votes, now 8 I believe, to blow up the conference? Adding Cal, SMU and Stanford would do nothing to immediately improve the existing ACC teams' media revenues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennsylvania Duck Moderator No. 40 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Kirk Herbstreit Hints At More Realignment Coming To College Football The wheels of realignment in college football continue to turn. This upcoming season is going to be the last one until USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington join the Big Ten next year. It's also going to be the last one until Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah join the Big 12 in 2024. Kirk Herbstreit, who is an analyst on College GameDay, thinks this is just the beginning. He expects more realignment in the future. To access the article, click here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandaian No. 41 Share Posted August 15, 2023 The only P5 schools left are OSU, WSU, Cal and Stanford. To say realignment isn't done, is like saying gambling happens in casinos. Those 4 schools are going to end up somewhere. The remaining P5 schools are done moving until TV contracts run out. Or the ACC somehow breaks their TV contract. I still have no idea how the ACC thought it was a good idea to sign a 20 year deal without a 5-10% raise every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 42 Share Posted August 15, 2023 This article from Bama Hammer addresses the influence that Greg Sankey is likely to have on re-formatting the playoff structure if not before 2026 then by 2026. He also by reference to the B1G acknowledges that B1G commissioner, Tony Petitti, will have a major say on how the playoff will be formatted and how playoff money will be distributed. e.g., The Power 2 will not be anxious to share the money. Reformatting before 2026 would require a unanimous vote of conference commissioners and the Notre Dame AD. It is unclear if the Pac12 (4) will retain a vote. The article also discusses whether the Pac-4, in some iteration or another, will be considered to be a 'Power Conference.' I doubt that the Pac-4 will retain Power Conference status. Stanford will go independent in football and perhaps, join the West Coast Conference for all other sports before it 'lowers itself' to play in the Mountain West or alongside G5 schools cobbled onto the Pac-Whatever. And Stanford has the endowment to pull this off. Cal? Not so much. Stanford has the Notre Dame rivalry going for it. And my guess is that Oregon, UCLA, USC, and UW would all be willing to schedule Stanford OOC in football. I'd much prefer to see Oregon play Stanford OOC than to play Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Baylor. One thing for certain, the Playoff format come 2026 will look different than the format for 2024/25. Alabama Football: CFB’s biggest future battle will be led by Greg Sankey BAMAHAMMER.COM No future Alabama football game, not even a National Championship Game, will surpass the struggle college football will engage in the next year or so. What... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennsylvania Duck Moderator No. 43 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Options dwindling as California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State prepare to take financial hits No matter how this round of realignment plays out, the remaining Pac-12 teams will be losing money. In many ways, this upcoming round of conference realignment is more uncertain than the last one. At least last time -- all the way back to earlier this month -- we knew the participants, where the money was going and who was throwing it around. Consider this rarity as the four remaining Pac-12 schools try to figure out where they'll be playing in 2024: The priority for California, Stanford, Oregon State and Washington State -- at the moment -- isn't money. In fact, for perhaps the first time in realignment, Power Five schools are assured of losing money by changing conferences. That's a function of the Pac-12 all but dissolving and the remaining Pac-4 having limited options. The priority now is finding a conference to call home in 2024. Clearly, Oregon State and Washington State have little value -- at least compared to the $21 million they are set to earn in the last year of the Pac-12 contract. It's almost assured they won't match that sum no matter where they end up. Options dwindling as California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State prepare to take financial hits - CBSSports.com WWW.CBSSPORTS.COM No matter how this round of realignment plays out, the remaining Pac-12 teams will be losing money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kamikaze Kid Moderator No. 44 Share Posted August 15, 2023 It won't matter what ingenious plan Luck comes up with because it just won't be good enough for Cal and Furd it keep those Ivy League west feelings alive. WSU and Beavs would be smart to tell them to either go independent now or just hold their nose and go along with whatever plan starts taking shape.The Pac could still cobble together some top 40 football and B Ball schools and squeak by as a legit power 5 conference but it won't happen if all plans get the thumbs down for not being high status enough. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Sousa No. 45 Share Posted August 15, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 12:14 PM, The Kamikaze Kid said: ...but it won't happen if all plans get the thumbs down for not being high status enough. Very sad, but true. I hope they take the humility pill to keep the PAC alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 46 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Options dwindling as California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State prepare to take financial hits - CBSSports.com WWW.CBSSPORTS.COM No matter how this round of realignment plays out, the remaining Pac-12 teams will be losing money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 47 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Both Stanford and SMU are pulling out their big guns for a push to help get into the ACC. As we all know, Notre Dame is pushing hard for Stanford and Cal. I think it will be very difficult to break through the blockade of the 4 universities not wanting this to happen. Again, show me the money is the big issue. Not worth the traveling time and money it will take if this happens. George W. Bush, Condoleeza Rice Lobbying for SMU, Stanford in Conference Realignment, per Source https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/16/bush-rice-lobbying-smu-stanford-realignment Stanford is 'optimistic' they can get the votes to join the ACC as soon as this week Stanford's head coach has already expressed that the program will end up in a Power 5 conference https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/stanford-is-optimistic-they-can-get-the-votes-to-join-the-acc-as-soon-as-this-week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noDucknewby No. 48 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) On 8/17/2023 at 7:49 AM, NJDuck said: Both Stanford and SMU are pulling out their big guns for a push to help get into the ACC. As we all know, Notre Dame is pushing hard for Stanford and Cal. I think it will be very difficult to break through the blockade of the 4 universities not wanting this to happen. Again, show me the money is the big issue. Not worth the traveling time and money it will take if this happens. George W. Bush, Condoleeza Rice Lobbying for SMU, Stanford in Conference Realignment, per Source https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/16/bush-rice-lobbying-smu-stanford-realignment Stanford is 'optimistic' they can get the votes to join the ACC as soon as this week Stanford's head coach has already expressed that the program will end up in a Power 5 conference https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/stanford-is-optimistic-they-can-get-the-votes-to-join-the-acc-as-soon-as-this-week In a sense it's better for Pac survival if Furd/Cal leave IMHO. Stanford as of now is calling the shots and they're still adamant about only expanding with AAU members. It's that kind of elitism that caused the implosion of the Pac-12 in the first place. At that point the rodents and wazoo inherit the Pac-12 name and whatever assets are left. They are then free to either merge or cherry-pick with the MWC/AAC under the Pac-12 name without regard to the now irrelevant AAU standard. Sure it's kind of like a drummer with a famous rock band winding up with the legal rights to the name, but nonetheless it still has some value and marketability. Probably not likely, but the new conference could possibly even retain Power 5 status. Edited August 17, 2023 by noDucknewby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 49 Share Posted August 17, 2023 On 8/17/2023 at 1:43 PM, noDucknewby said: In a sense it's better for Pac survival if Furd/Cal leave IMHO. Stanford as of now is calling the shots and they're still adamant about only expanding with AAU members. It's that kind of elitism that caused the implosion of the Pac-12 in the first place. At that point the rodents and wazoo inherit the Pac-12 name and whatever assets are left. They are then free to either merge or cherry-pick with the MWC/AAC under the Pac-12 name without regard to the now irrelevant AAU standard. Sure it's kind of like a drummer with a famous rock band winding up with the legal rights to the name, but nonetheless it still has some value and marketability. Probably not likely, but the new conference could possibly even retain Power 5 status. Stanford will go independent before associating with what the Cardinal believe to be weak academic institutions. The Cardinal as a football independent would like BYU before this season, be a G5+ /P5- opponent. If this happens, drop Baylor and OK State like a hot potato and schedule Stanford as a permanent OOC opponent. Unlike the folks from That Team Up North, Stanford would welcome this. And it would be nice to throw PK's other alma mammy a bone. There is NOTHING to be gained playing B12 schools OOC. Without Texas and Oklahoma, the B12 is a glorified G5 conference. Oregon has no tradition with any B12 school, it has tradition and a history of great games with Stanford. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
