30Duck Moderator No. 1 Share Posted November 3 Yeah, it's great for the rest of the B1G if Riley stays, but even with the buyout, I feel like USC can't bring him back next season. Lincoln Riley collapse gets worse as USC loses yet another close game TROJANSWIRE.USATODAY.COM USC might not make a bowl game this season. The Trojans will probably need to beat Nebraska and UCLA if they are going to... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundedknees No. 2 Share Posted November 3 How the mighty hath FALLEN... ineptly stumbling into the cold abyss called mediocrity. F-U Petey probably couldn't right the ship, but I bet he could plug a couple gaps. I doubt he has the energy needed for a rebuild at this age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanducky No. 3 Share Posted November 3 Can't afford to keep him. Can't afford to fire him. Couldn't happen to a classier fan base. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 4 Share Posted November 3 On 11/3/2024 at 9:37 AM, woundedknees said: How the mighty hath FALLEN... ineptly stumbling into the cold abyss called mediocrity. F-U Petey probably couldn't right the ship, but I bet he could plug a couple gaps. I doubt he has the energy needed for a rebuild at this age. You can build an offensive line to compete in the Big 12 from the portal. Colorado is showing how that is possible this year. But when Colorado played a B1G team in Nebraska they were annaliated. USC has major problems and they stem from recruiting. And the recruiting problems they have are on the line of scrimmage and they really can't fill those gaps through the portal. They can Plug some of them... If they can beat Oregon out for some of those transfers.. I don't know who USC would replace Riley with at this point. Carroll for a year or two but I don't think that experiment will work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundedknees No. 5 Share Posted November 3 Agree FUPT would at best be a stop gap, nothing more. Rejuvenating the program is not an instant fix, but it will require a culture change. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kamikaze Kid Moderator No. 6 Share Posted November 3 SUC fans are now looking back fondly of the Helton years. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 7 Share Posted November 3 Just tossing this out there. U$C needs to go B1G! I don't know what Cignetti's buyout is at Indy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDuck No. 8 Share Posted November 3 He signed a six-year contract with a starting salary of $4 million per year. He is eligible for some bonuses, but they are not huge dollars. The base value of the contract is $25.5 million ($4.25 million a year) without any bonuses. Cignetti would owe the school $8 million in the first year if he resigns (before 11-30-24), $6 million in Year 2 (after 11-20-24), $4 million in Year 3, $2 million in Year 4 and $1 million in the final two years of the deal. $6-8 million is pocket change for some programs to reimburse Cignetti. The issue for USC is how much they would have to pay to fire Riley. And, the question I would have, relates to recruiting. How good is Cignetti? He is benefiting this year from over a dozen transfers he brought with him from his job at James Madison. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 9 Share Posted November 3 On 11/3/2024 at 10:21 AM, 30Duck said: Just tossing this out there. U$C needs to go B1G! I don't know what Cignetti's buyout is at Indy? Cig is a very good coach. But he does strike me as an LA guy. But then again I could be completely wrong. There was a Trojan post making fun of Eugene a while back saying something to the extent "there's more to LA than football" and that's part of the culture problem in LA in general. Would Cig want to deal with that if offered the job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Moderator No. 10 Share Posted November 3 I think SUC will need to stand behind a coach at some point. Riley is a decent recruiter, and to replace him they would be need a top coach, and recruiter, that can assemble a staff quickly. We struck gold with DL. Oregon gave a very young DC full support to assemble a top staff and go after the top players and recruits in the nation. Oregon fans hoped it would work out well. All the while, SUC nation was sure that Riley was the solution to years of mediocrity. When you are completely wrong, and overpay for something that is less than you wanted, what’s next? Let’s say they hired a guy like James Franklin. Good coach, and recruiter. Would that fan base be happy losing to Oregon, and tOSU most years. Doubtful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kamikaze Kid Moderator No. 11 Share Posted November 3 The grass is pretty damn brown down in SUC town. 2 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 12 Share Posted November 3 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 13 Share Posted November 3 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vanducky No. 15 Share Posted November 3 Practice makes perfect, Linc! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 16 Share Posted November 3 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 17 Share Posted November 3 Wow. Whatever IPA he's drinking to arrive at this USC cope....I want it! 1 2 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyToBeADuck No. 18 Share Posted November 3 Well in lalaland dilusional reigns supreme. Riley stays until the boosters handover the dollars for his buyout and the new coach buyout. I would be chasing down Urban Meyers Chris Peterson or Bob Stoops with an armored truck full of cash first. The helm needs substance. Then if i was the trojan AD, Cignetti would be high on my radar. However, he has benefitted from a soft schedule! The meat of his schedule is upcoming. Let's see how that turns out. If he beats Michigan, tOSU and Purdue to close the season. Then beats OBD's in the BIG CCG, then i would be getting after him. So will a few other big name schools Lots to prove between now and Dec 7th. Cignetti may be loyal and true to his word just as DL is and not interested in leaving Indiana. I shouldnt be this happy at usucks bleak picture. Sir Charles has helped me learn how not to be noble...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven A Moderator No. 19 Share Posted November 3 On 11/3/2024 at 1:16 PM, Charles Fischer said: Whatever IPA he's drinking to arrive at this USC cope....I want it! David Woods always has his tongue firmly in his cheek (the upper one). He is one of the Podcast of Champions hosts, which is almost always a parody when analyzing games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven A Moderator No. 20 Share Posted November 3 Multiple decommits coming?? USC football recruiting: Are multiple de-commitments coming in USC's 2025 class? 247SPORTS.COM USC's lost four of its last five games, which is hurting the program's efforts on the recruiting trail. Plus, add in the soon non-commits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 21 Share Posted November 4 ""I don't handle losing very well. It hasn't happened much in my career. That part of it is unacceptable."" Oh. So the parts about the program, the fans, and the kids losing are acceptable then huh? What a Freudian slip by a self absorbed egomaniac. Surprised at the 50 fan comments on Twitter that slipped right by them. He really does fit in well in LA I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 22 Share Posted November 4 On 11/3/2024 at 1:10 PM, Charles Fischer said: The best coaches learn from losing and learn quickly so they don't have to deal with it too often. Lanning doesn't like losing. No one likes losing. And what Lanning learned from losing twice last year was to build up the secondary even more. And guess what it worked. Riley fired his DC and hired a new DC not because he learned a lesson but because there was going to be a riot from the fanbase, donors and his own locker room if he didnt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktmguy2018 No. 23 Share Posted November 4 On the positive side, USC won't get beat by Swamp Boat Driver's University in the Proliferating Rabbits Carrot Bowl. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundedknees No. 24 Share Posted November 4 On 11/3/2024 at 1:16 PM, Charles Fischer said: Wow. Whatever IPA he's drinking to arrive at this USC cope....I want it! "still REELING FROM SANCTIONS"??? That's RICH! (Iwould be so much more comfortable, had I not just placed a largish spoonful of extra hot, post game chili in my mouth) When does that old excuse wear out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 25 Share Posted November 4 USC is 5 losses from being undefeated. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kamikaze Kid Moderator No. 26 Share Posted November 4 For those about to SUC we salute you. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDuck Moderator No. 27 Share Posted November 4 Hmm...ok? Lincoln Riley denies need for change following Washington loss: 'It's not like we're getting our butt kicked' “I don’t handle losing very well. It hasn’t happened very much in my career. That part of it is unacceptable,” Riley said in his postgame press conference. Riley denied the need for any sort of changes to be made. Lincoln Riley denies need for change following Washington loss: 'It's not like we're getting our butt kicked' - On3 WWW.ON3.COM USC head football coach Lincoln Riley denied the need for change following the Washington loss. Check out more about the team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartm25 No. 28 Share Posted November 4 On 11/3/2024 at 10:48 AM, David Marsh said: I don't know who USC would replace Riley with at this point. I will forever maintain that Deion Sanders would be terrifying at USC. His brand/culture would fit perfectly there, and I think he would restore USC to owning California in recruiting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudslide No. 29 Share Posted November 4 Riley? SUC? Who cares?!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kamikaze Kid Moderator No. 30 Share Posted November 4 Coach Prime would be terrifying in SUC land but I'm sure he'll end up at FSU where he'll be worshipped like a god until he retires. At some point SUC will unload the brinks truck to buyout Riley then unload another Brinks truck on the next flavor of the month then rinse and repeat a few years later. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartm25 No. 31 Share Posted November 4 On 11/4/2024 at 8:54 AM, The Kamikaze Kid said: Coach Prime would be terrifying in SUC land but I'm sure he'll end up at FSU where he'll be worshipped like a god until he retires. At some point SUC will unload the brinks truck to buyout Riley then unload another Brinks truck on the next flavor of the month then rinse and repeat a few years later. What a monumental conflict that would create for me. I don't particularly like/root for Prime or Mario Cristobal (I've put the "o" back in his name since his team is averaging 47 ppg; it's a shame he doesn't have "d" in is name, because I'd remove that this year). I'd probably root for a Prime-led FSU over MC's Miami . . . I've been missing "Angry Mario" in post game press conferences. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 32 Share Posted November 4 On 11/3/2024 at 12:48 PM, David Marsh said: You can build an offensive line to compete in the Big 12 from the portal. Colorado is showing how that is possible this year. But when Colorado played a B1G team in Nebraska they were annaliated. USC has major problems and they stem from recruiting. And the recruiting problems they have are on the line of scrimmage and they really can't fill those gaps through the portal. They can Plug some of them... If they can beat Oregon out for some of those transfers.. I don't know who USC would replace Riley with at this point. Carroll for a year or two but I don't think that experiment will work. DM, great comment. I'd add this, Riley's play calling and in-game management is B-A-D Bad! UW has a good pass D and a porous run D and Riley emphasized the pass with a QB far from Heisman contention and a group of underachieving WRs. There's a reason why the man as a coordinator at Oklahoma and the head coach in Norman did not win a Playoff game. Riley is 2-4 in bowl games, 0-3 in Playoff games. When Riley was in Norman, Oklahoma had a decided roster advantage in the B12 and most often faced a dysfunctional Texas team. He is in over his head but do SC boosters have the desire to buy him out? SC's NIL program has been half-gassed. After keeping Helton on board for so long and becoming a top academic institution, is football still the biggest thing in South Central. The attendance for the last home game was embarrassing. Oh, the irony. SC was the first to go B1G/Fox and break up the Pac-12. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 33 Share Posted November 4 On 11/3/2024 at 1:33 PM, HDuck said: He signed a six-year contract with a starting salary of $4 million per year. He is eligible for some bonuses, but they are not huge dollars. The base value of the contract is $25.5 million ($4.25 million a year) without any bonuses. Cignetti would owe the school $8 million in the first year if he resigns (before 11-30-24), $6 million in Year 2 (after 11-20-24), $4 million in Year 3, $2 million in Year 4 and $1 million in the final two years of the deal. $6-8 million is pocket change for some programs to reimburse Cignetti. The issue for USC is how much they would have to pay to fire Riley. And, the question I would have, relates to recruiting. How good is Cignetti? He is benefiting this year from over a dozen transfers he brought with him from his job at James Madison. Cignetti grew up in Pittsburgh, His Dad was the head coach at West Virginia. He coached for Nick Saban, he was Nick's recruiting coordinator before taking a pay cut to become head coach at Indiana University Pennsylvania. Then he coached Elon University in North Carolina before taking the James Madison job in Virginia and seamlessly moving JMU up from FCS to FBS. Easy for me to say but I do not believe money is Cignetti's main objective. He moved up from $775K at JMU to $4M+ at IU. $4M goes a long way in Bloomington, Indiana. Cig is an East Coast guy. It's East Coast also for his wife who he met at IUP. He has led Indiana to a historic 9-0 not based on great recruiting but on superior portal picking and terrific coaching that has the Hoosiers playing together as well as any team in the country. He's 63 years old. Does he want or need a job in LA when he's a folk hero in Bloomington? Also, Cignetti, including assistant coaches brought over 30 support people with him from JMU. How many would opt to follow Cig to a gig out west? I can see Auburn and Kentucky being of interest but even then, why take on the stress of the SEC when he has Indy rolling in the Big 10 and has Indiana on good to top recruits radar? Winning in Columbus is not inconceivable and would open the recruiting floodgates. (He also has a national media supporter in IU graduate Heather Dinich.) Is USC a top job any longer? I'm far from certain and how many folks today Love LA? 1 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Ducky No. 34 Share Posted November 4 My grandsons flag football coach is out of a job and available since his last game was Saturday. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastBayDuckDad Moderator No. 35 Share Posted November 4 On 11/4/2024 at 7:54 AM, The Kamikaze Kid said: Coach Prime would be terrifying in SUC land but I'm sure he'll end up at FSU where he'll be worshipped like a god until he retires. At some point SUC will unload the brinks truck to buyout Riley then unload another Brinks truck on the next flavor of the month then rinse and repeat a few years later. Why in the *#@! would Prime want to go to La La Land once his boyz are graduated? FSU would welcome him with open arms as he tried to build that team back to one that could outrecruit and dominate Florida and the U. I for one will enjoy watching U$C and the Lincoln Riley albatross show nurse the posterior mammary to Dan Lanning and OBD in recruiting, wins and national prominence for the foreseeable future. "It's not like we're getting our butt kicked" Denial is not just a river in Egypt. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven A Moderator No. 36 Share Posted November 4 Tidbits from an sc site. "You can't lead in the fourth quarter in all nine games and lose five of them without it being a systemic thing." And my favorite: "Luckily for Lincoln Riley, there are no malpractice lawsuits allowed for college coaches." Oh, Riley makes $875,000 per game. So far this year that is either $1,968,750 per win or $1,575,000 per loss. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 37 Share Posted November 4 On 11/4/2024 at 9:25 AM, Jon Joseph said: Oh, the irony. SC was the first to go B1G/Fox and break up the Pac-12. Do you think that since USC had Riley that maybe they pursued joining the B1G more actively? I think the money probably would have swayed them regardless. But maybe Fox looked at USC with Riley and saw a USC program that could compete in their pet conference and would be worth the money. What I'm thinking here is thataybe the Riley hire at the end of the 2021 might have helped put the rest in motion. It certainly helped USC's brand until this year. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastBayDuckDad Moderator No. 38 Share Posted November 4 To paraphrase Josh Pate, "they went and blew up the Pac-12 for this?" 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 39 Share Posted November 4 So far, Bo Nix > Caleb Williams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 40 Share Posted November 4 On 11/4/2024 at 3:52 PM, 30Duck said: So far, Bo Nix > Caleb Williams He certainly has a better head coach and he is in a system that fits him. Denver was the perfect team for Bo to go to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author Moderator No. 41 Share Posted November 4 On 11/4/2024 at 1:21 PM, Jon Joseph said: He certainly has a better head coach and he is in a system that fits him. Denver was the perfect team for Bo to go to. The Williams hype was vintage USC. ""He's going to be the best 1st year quarterback ever! The Bears drafted Rome Odundze. Who could stop a Trojan throwing to a Husky? Everybody. Yes, Payton's experiment with Russell Wilson was a total failure from the start. But Nix and Payton works, just like Harbaugh & Herbert. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 42 Share Posted November 4 To be honest....I was pretty concerned when they hired Riley, as it looked like a good fit. It just goes to show how hard it is to find and hire good football coaches, and then retain the good ones. So glad we got Danno! 1 1 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven A Moderator No. 43 Share Posted November 4 On 11/4/2024 at 1:42 PM, Charles Fischer said: I was pretty concerned when they hired Riley, as it looked like a good fit. Chip at ucla 2.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundedknees No. 44 Share Posted November 4 On 11/3/2024 at 11:14 AM, The Kamikaze Kid said: The grass is pretty damn brown down in SUC town. So is the water... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
