Charles Fischer Administrator No. 1 Share Posted Monday at 06:40 PM So let me see if I got this right....both the AP and Coaches poll rank Oregon the No. 1 team in the nation, and rank Ohio State as the No. 2 team in CFB...right? Normally, when you set up a bracket, you have the No. 1 seed on one side and the No. 2 seed on the other side....unless you have this new system that they are bound to no matter what? Right now the projections show that Ohio State and Oregon meet in the Semi-Finals for probably the third time this season because Oregon is the conference champion. The Buckeyes are the best team who not a conference champion, thus an automatic No. 5 Seed and in our bracket? That sets up the SEC....again. 1 1 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 2 Share Posted Monday at 07:21 PM NO WORRIES. OBD defeats UW, now 6-5 and a dangerous team in the Pacific time zone with two capable QBs and a very good RB, and -11 tOSU defeats Indiana and Michigan in Columbus, it will be a battle of the Os rematch in the B1G Champ game. In this case, unless one of the Os blows the other out, on 12/8/24 it will be Oregon as the No. 1 seed and Ohio State as the number No. 5 seed or vice versa. No. 3 Texas has Kentucky and at A+M remaining to be played. A+M before hosting Texas has what could be a tricky game at Auburn this week. Regardless one of the two with 1 SEC loss will have at least 2 SEC losses after their game on 11/29. If Georgia wins out vs. UMass and Georgia Tech, I think a 2-loss UGA would play a 2-loss Alabama in the SEC champ game. A 2-loss Texas with no wins against the Committee's final top 25 could find itself out of the PO in favor of 2 or 3 loss Georgia/ Bama, and 2 loss Ole Miss and Tennessee. A bad loss by Indiana Saturday and a 2nd loss by Penn State could see five SEC teams in the field. Wax UW! And I hate to say it but: SC, Ding the Domers! Ohio State has moved to -12; Penn State is -11.5 on the road vs Minnesota. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 3 Share Posted Monday at 07:34 PM On 11/18/2024 at 11:21 AM, Jon Joseph said: In this case, unless one of the Os blows the other out, on 12/8/24 it will be Oregon as the No. 1 seed and Ohio State as the number No. 5 seed or vice versa. Precisely my point; we should NOT be in the same bracket, because even if Ohio State loses to Oregon in the B1G Championship...they will probably get the No. 5 Seed and are in our Playoff Bracket. Oregon playing who everyone recognizes as the No. 2 team in the nation, three fricken times? 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 4 Share Posted Monday at 07:57 PM (edited) On 11/18/2024 at 11:34 AM, Charles Fischer said: Precisely my point; we should NOT be in the same bracket, because even if Ohio State loses to Oregon in the B1G Championship...they will probably get the No. 5 Seed and are in our Playoff Bracket. Oregon playing who everyone recognizes as the No. 2 team in the nation, three fricken times... I'll be mildly surprised if tOSU gets the nod over one of the big names from the SEC with the same number of losses. Probably depends on the nature of the loss by tOSU. I don't think that it is a certainty that a conference championship loser automatically gets the nod over a #3 10-2 SEC team (especially if it's Alabama or Georgia) that lost a conference tiebreaker and didn't play in their championship game. We shall see! Edited Monday at 08:04 PM by JabbaNoBargain 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Sousa No. 5 Share Posted Monday at 08:13 PM They should always try to put the top 2 contenders from the same conference in opposite sides of the bracket. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 6 Share Posted Monday at 08:14 PM On 11/18/2024 at 2:57 PM, JabbaNoBargain said: I'll be mildly surprised if tOSU gets the nod over one of the big names from the SEC with the same number of losses. Probably depends on the nature of the loss by tOSU. Additionally, I don't think that it is a certainty that a conference championship loser automatically gets the nod over a #3 10-2 SEC team (especially if it's Alabama or Georgia) that lost a conference tiebreaker and didn't play in their championship game. We shall see! If the B1G conference champ game does feature OBD vs tOSU, why should the loser of a close game be penalized for playing in its conference champ game; especially, when Notre Dame has a champ game 'bye' and 2-loss teams sit out the conference champ game? If Georgia plays Alabama in the SEC champ game then based on strength of record and strength of schedule a 3-loss UGA or Bama should get in instead of a possible 2-loss Texas and should be seeded above even a 1-loss Texas. The Committee penalizes conference champ losers and it will be a black eye for the Committee and likely lead to multiple automatic PO spots for three or four B1G and SEC teams come 2026. And while it's not desirable as Charles pointed out, if there are four B1G teams in the PO field as we should so desire ($$$$), we will see at least one and likely both brackets having B1G teams in the same bracket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 7 Share Posted Monday at 08:28 PM (edited) On 11/18/2024 at 12:14 PM, Jon Joseph said: If the B1G conference champ game does feature OBD vs tOSU, why should the loser of a close game be penalized for playing in its conference champ game; especially, when Notre Dame has a champ game 'bye' and 2-loss teams sit out the conference champ game? If Georgia plays Alabama in the SEC champ game then based on strength of record and strength of schedule a 3-loss UGA or Bama should get in instead of a possible 2-loss Texas and should be seeded above even a 1-loss Texas. The Committee penalizes conference champ losers and it will be a black eye for the Committee and likely lead to multiple automatic PO spots for three or four B1G and SEC teams come 2026. And while it's not desirable as Charles pointed out, if there are four B1G teams in the PO field as we should so desire ($$$$), we will see at least one and likely both brackets having B1G teams in the same bracket. Don’t disagree with your logic of how it should be, but I could still see 10-2 Georgia (or whoever loses SEC tiebreaker and doesn’t play in the SEC championship game) getting the nod for a 5 seed over 11-2 tOSU due to strength of schedule. As I said, depends on the nature of the theoretical tOSU loss. The real jockeying will be if Indiana beats tOSU and then loses to OBD to finish 12-1. Black eyes are already going to be plentiful when/if the tournament has 8 or 9 teams from the big 2. Edited Monday at 08:42 PM by JabbaNoBargain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 8 Share Posted Monday at 08:37 PM I know it's easy to forget, but there is this other B1G team lurking out there that indeed could jump the loser of the CCG - Penn State. They were at #4 last week and unlikely to move this week or next. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 9 Share Posted Monday at 08:39 PM On 11/18/2024 at 12:14 PM, Jon Joseph said: And while it's not desirable as Charles pointed out, if there are four B1G teams in the PO field as we should so desire ($$$$), we will see at least one and likely both brackets having B1G teams in the same bracket. I am OK with another B1G team in our bracket, unless it is a team we have to play for the third time. Remember....if Oregon loses the B1G Championship...we quite likely will be the No. 5 Seed in their demented bracket, and again...we would play Ohio State for the third time when meeting in the Playoff. This is SO... 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 10 Share Posted Monday at 08:47 PM (edited) On 11/18/2024 at 12:37 PM, Solar said: I know it's easy to forget, but there is this other B1G team lurking out there that indeed could jump the loser of the CCG - Penn State. They were at #4 last week and unlikely to move this week or next. And Indiana could win out. Bottom line for me is we’re in good shape to try to win it. Edited Monday at 08:49 PM by JabbaNoBargain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyToBeADuck No. 11 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:43 AM Its best we win out. Leave nothing to chance. Then win the BIG CCG! It really doesnt matter if we play tOSU 3 times or Indiana/ BSU 2 times in the same year. We have to beat 3 or 4 of the top 12 teams in the land to bring home the Natty. Counting the BIG CCG then we have to beat 4 top teams. Finally OBD's gets their shot after 10 years to put it all on the line. What great exciting games for us fans....plus DL has assembled a team that has a fighting chance. GO DUCKS....handle the huskies..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 12 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:53 AM If Ohio State loses to us again they may drop to number 3 overall. Sure, they say they won't punish a conference championship loser but they will... It just won't be an elimination game for the B1G or SEC loser. The Big 12 and ACC loser is highly unlikely to make the playoffs at all. But they might drop the B1G loser slightly more and put them at 4 or 5 overall which might sort out the problem. Highly unlikely though. Unless... We blow out Ohio State which might do it. But look at it this way... If Oregon beats Ohio State three times in one season that puts the history of the series at 4-8 Ohio State. In almost one year we'd cut their lead in the series in half and probably outright break their fanbase at the same time. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeotechDuck No. 13 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:14 AM On 11/18/2024 at 11:57 AM, JabbaNoBargain said: I'll be mildly surprised if tOSU gets the nod over one of the big names from the SEC with the same number of losses. Probably depends on the nature of the loss by tOSU. I don't think that it is a certainty that a conference championship loser automatically gets the nod over a #3 10-2 SEC team (especially if it's Alabama or Georgia) that lost a conference tiebreaker and didn't play in their championship game. We shall see! I’m with you here. If tOSU loses to Oregon again, then I think the committee will push the second place SEC into the 5 seed slot. Both will likely have 2 losses and by pushing tOSU to the 6 seed, you can avoid the third matchup in the semis. Where this gets interesting is if Oregon loses a very close game to tOSU. Then the committee almost has to put Oregon at the 5 seed and you have that matchup in the semis again. The 5 seed right now looks to be the easiest path to the semis if they get Boise then the Big-12 winner. It may even have a small advantage over the 1 seed which seems crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck No. 14 Share Posted Tuesday at 01:54 PM Urban agrees “How about this, stare at this for a minute, so you got Ohio State, they’ll beat Boise (State) or at least they should. Then (if) they beat Miami they’re going to play Oregon for the third time this season,” Meyer said. “That’s a nightmare for a coach in a playoff. So they played in Eugene, they’re going to play in Indianapolis, probably, and then they’re going to play again in the [semifinals], unbelievable. First time ever.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroBurst61 No. 15 Share Posted Tuesday at 03:36 PM I think it was made clear when a month or so ago the playoff committee said they would NOT avoid conference rematches in the playoffs. Here's what I think the playoff committee has in store for the Ducks and the field. Primary focus. One SEC team in Each bracket. Two: Load up one half (side) of the bracket with the B1G teams. Three: If the wins and losses fall "correctly" the committee would Love to see Oregon have to play...Boise St / Alabama, Miami, then Georgia in the championship. The narratives and storylines for the pundits to talk about for that playoff month would be music to their ears if this were come to pass. Which if the Ducks "won-out" against that "wind" would have to be considered the best college football champion of all times. Of course if they Lost any of those along the way it would be "fodder" for the talking heads. In two years the conference championship games WILL be the first round of (seeding) the playoffs or will be eliminated all together. Either way dem Ducks are going roll!!! Go Ducks! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandaian No. 16 Share Posted Tuesday at 03:56 PM Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round. Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team. The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 17 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:14 PM On 11/18/2024 at 11:53 PM, David Marsh said: If Ohio State loses to us again they may drop to number 3 overall. Sure, they say they won't punish a conference championship loser but they will... It just won't be an elimination game for the B1G or SEC loser. The Big 12 and ACC loser is highly unlikely to make the playoffs at all. But they might drop the B1G loser slightly more and put them at 4 or 5 overall which might sort out the problem. Highly unlikely though. Unless... We blow out Ohio State which might do it. But look at it this way... If Oregon beats Ohio State three times in one season that puts the history of the series at 4-8 Ohio State. In almost one year we'd cut their lead in the series in half and probably outright break their fanbase at the same time. Ohio State's SOS in 2024, even with 3 donut holes OCC is No. 28 coming into Week 13. Ohio State played two top-five teams on the road, OBD, and Penn State, and went 1-1 with a 1-point loss in Eugene. Ohio State plays No. 5 Indiana on Saturday. Then, it plays a likely 6-5 bowl-eligible Michigan team; the Wolverines play Northwestern in Ann Arbor this Saturday. On 12/7, No. 2 Ohio State is odds-on to play No. 1 Oregon in the B1G champion game. OBD or Ohio State should not be dinged for losing this game unless it is a complete blowout. If the Committee drops Oregon or Ohio State below a two-loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC champion game, Tony Petitti will be justified in requiring that the top 4 B1G teams in 2026 are in the PO field with the B1G and the SEC champ having the two top seeds. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 18 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:46 PM On 11/19/2024 at 7:56 AM, Tandaian said: Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round. Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team. The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system. It certainly needs to be changed. I'm ok with automatic bids for conference champions, even though the reality of it is that a conference champion worthy of an invite should probably be default be in the top 12 teams. Though access is important for this format so auto bids are important to give the illusion that any team that makes the playoff could win it all. But lets just assume conference champs get auto bids. The real baffling thing with this format is why do conference champs get an automatic bye? They should get a bid and then with all bids they should be given a rank and those ranks should be slotted in. That's probably where the playoff is headed. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 19 Share Posted Tuesday at 06:06 PM On 11/19/2024 at 8:46 AM, David Marsh said: It certainly needs to be changed. I'm ok with automatic bids for conference champions, even though the reality of it is that a conference champion worthy of an invite should probably be default be in the top 12 teams. Though access is important for this format so auto bids are important to give the illusion that any team that makes the playoff could win it all. But lets just assume conference champs get auto bids. The real baffling thing with this format is why do conference champs get an automatic bye? They should get a bid and then with all bids they should be given a rank and those ranks should be slotted in. That's probably where the playoff is headed. Indeed. Expand to 16, 6 highest ranked champions get a bid with no guaranteed seeding, opening round games all hosted by higher seed, force ND to join a conference. Boom, done! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 20 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:20 PM Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeotechDuck No. 21 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:38 PM On 11/19/2024 at 7:56 AM, Tandaian said: Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round. Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team. The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system. 100%. This year it is entirely possible that the 5 seed is goi g to get Boise followed by Colorado. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck No. 22 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:17 PM On 11/19/2024 at 8:14 AM, Jon Joseph said: On 12/7, No. 2 Ohio State is odds-on to play No. 1 Oregon in the B1G champion game. OBD or Ohio State should not be dinged for losing this game unless it is a complete blowout. If the Committee drops Oregon or Ohio State below a 2-loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC champion game Could this be when the SEC is hoisted on their own petard? In the past, an SEC team that didn't even play for the SEC championship, got in the Final Playoffs, and now they would feel it justified to drop the B1G championship loser below a 2 loss SEC team that didn't make their conference final? The hypocrisy of that, and the 8 game schedule has to come due. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven A Moderator No. 23 Share Posted 14 hours ago If a team loses a league championship game and doesn't make the playoffs, guess what; that was their play-in game and they lost it. Go home, shut up, and prepare for next year. Only one team will hold up the trophy and it is the one team that finished on a winning streak. Losing a league championship game is not the start of a winning streak. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 24 Share Posted 13 hours ago Charles, more ammo for your POV on PO seeding and brackets. No. 5 Ohio State would play a 1st round game vs No. 12 BYU in Columbus. After defeating the Cougars, Ohio State would play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl; OBD would play the winner of Bama vs. Notre Dame in the Rose Bowl. Both teams advance and Oregon would play Ohio State in the Cotton or Orange Bowl. Eugene to Dallas - 2,056 miles. The Ducks in this round would choose the shorter trip to Dallas. Columbus to Dallas - 1,041 miles. Hell of a format. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Author Administrator No. 25 Share Posted 12 hours ago On 11/20/2024 at 11:57 AM, Jon Joseph said: Hell of a format. 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUCati855 Moderator No. 26 Share Posted 12 hours ago On 11/18/2024 at 8:53 PM, David Marsh said: But look at it this way... If Oregon beats Ohio State three times in one season that puts the history of the series at 4-8 Ohio State. In almost one year we'd cut their lead in the series in half and probably outright break their fanbase at the same time. Yes! Lets do this! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 27 Share Posted 11 hours ago On 11/19/2024 at 10:56 AM, Tandaian said: Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round. Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team. The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system. In 2026, the Power 2 will be in control of the PO format and it will not look like this jury-rigged junk. Want to have 5 conference champs in, fine. But no preferred seeding and no Byes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
