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Ohio State vs. Texas...

 

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The Buckeye fans who have visited here have been fun to chat with and are quite reasonable. 

 

But Ohio State has their percentage of "Lunatic-Fringe" as below are posts during the game when things got tied up by Texas...

 

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Now you see why we have a rule in this OBD Forum against "Venting" during a game.

 

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Totally agree Charles!  We played our worst game of the season on the same day they played their best game of the season.

 

1/1/25 could have been vastly different if #4 had been limited to 1 catch for 3 yards that day.

 

I don’t want to take anything away from osu2, but I think OBD would have had the horn fans crying in their beer tonight.

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It seems to me that the Buckeyes have been peaking in the playoffs. They are worthy of becoming the champion.

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Go B1G or Go home. SEC just couldn't compete with the B1G this season. I don't think Notre Dame will be able to either. Murphy's Law hit OBD B1G in the Rose Bowl, Ducks will have another "Opportunity" next season!

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Are Chris Fowler and Herbie both losing IT?

 

"No doubt, Texas has been the best team in the SEC all season." Fowler

 

OBD has a few friends down Athens way in the Peach State who might disagree with you, Chris. 'Facts are stubborn things,' said John Adams; UGA fans simply say: SCOREBOARD x 2!

 

The season isn't over, it's too darn long IMO, but the odds for next season's champion odds are out. 

 

Despite significant roster changes, Ohio State +450 has the best odds and OBD is tied with Texas +600 for the 2nd best odds. OBD will not see tOSU in 2025 unless both make the Champ Game in Indianapolis. (And try to take a loss? 😁)

 

GO BUCKS!

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It's fun to watch a close game when you have no emotional investment in it. Franklin the turtle and Sark the shark made critical errors that cost us the joy of overtime.

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On 1/11/2025 at 9:36 AM, 30Duck said:

Go B1G or Go home. SEC just couldn't compete with the B1G this season. I don't think Notre Dame will be able to either. Murphy's Law hit OBD B1G in the Rose Bowl, Ducks will have another "Opportunity" next season!

Great comment, 30. Thank you, Sir.

 

The QB play in the SEC this season but for Dart at Ole Miss, and he melted down vs. Florida and played poorly in the home loss to Kentucky. Beck without Bowers and McConkey was lost. The QB play was not at the level we have become accustomed to seeing since Saint Nick opened up the Bama O. 

 

Good call on the Rose Bowl but I'd refer to it as the 'Greg Sankey Format Law.' In fairness, Sankey knew the format was FUBAR after the Pac-12 disappeared (Offense intended Beavis.) Sankey and others were able to get a unanimous vote to go from 6 conference champs and 6 at large to 5 and 7 but not to change the top four conference champs having the preferred, or so it was thought, seeds and a 1st round Bye.

 

Professional football players sit out one week and then play on their home field and not in Pasadena. The format set up perfectly for a Buckeyes team that was being buried by its fans for the Michigan loss. Charles is spot on, last night we did not see the Ohio State team that played Tennessee in Columbus and OBD in Pasadena. We saw an Ohio State team that won in Pasadena and was rewarded with a game in Dallas vs Texas, the 15th game of the season for tOSU, and the 16th for Texas.

 

The season needs to start in Week 0 for all involved and end earlier. And they will still be played because of media contracts but why play a conference champ game? Even if four teams are tied at the top of the Power 2, all four are odds on to make the field.

 

In postseason football playoffs managed by the NCAA the respective playoff begins one week after the regular season and top-seeded winning teams play at home before the champ game. What a concept!

 

I did not see any team in the semis playing fast and furious. Both games featured the play of the defense and were decided by mistakes on offense and not the great play of the offense.

 

We will see a new format in 2026 but so long as ESPN owns the college playoff and the college off-season likely will not see more than a 1st round game on home-fields. Oregon plays the winner of No. 9 Boise State at No. 8 Indiana in Autzen and it's a different ball game. DUH!

 

Next case. OBD will be back in the playoff in 2025-26.

 

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USA's, obviously better take 😜 than my effort, story on Day closing in on getting nuts Bucknuts fans off of his back. (But Ohio State grad Marcus Freeman has other ideas.)

 

 

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After being left for dead in December, Ohio State clinches spot in national championship game with Jack Sawyer's stunning play.

 

 

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Watching tOSU vs Texas (Day vs Sark) was another one of those games where I kind of wished somehow both teams could lose.

Like when the Beavs played the Huskies. But like being an Oregonian, I felt like I kind of had to root for the Buckeyes as a fellow B1G member.

It looks like Jan. 20 is going to feel the same!

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Recent Ohio State spreads:
 
19-1/2 vs Michigan (10-13)
7-1/2 vs Tennessee (42-17)
2-1/2 vs Oregon (41-21)
6 vs Texas (28-14)
9-1/2 vs Notre Dame
 
That Michigan loss doesn't match USC losing as a 41-pt favorite to Stanford in 2007, but it is truly baffling.
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     The thing I like best about this coming championship is how Ohio State has worked themselves into the unquestionable role of favorite. They are now like Oregon sitting at 13-0 with nothing but themselves to look at in the mirror. No more Ducks or SEC losses to churn the bile.

 

     Norte Dame, on the other hand, is an underdog wild card, a team and program that is truly feeling it for the first time in 37 years. That sort of pent-up and unleashed motivation can make for a very unpredictable game.

 

     On paper, the Irish probably have no case for being on the same field with the Buckeyes. On paper.

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We don’t look so good if Ohio State loses, and frankly I am concerned that they played their ‘Natty game effort in the Rose Bowl.

 

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Ohio State is going to cover against Notre Dame. The Irish offense isn’t nearly as good as any of the Buckeyes previous opponents. They rely on their defense to generate points off of turnovers. This championship game is going to be anticlimactic.

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On 1/11/2025 at 10:55 AM, HDuck said:
Recent Ohio State spreads:
 
19-1/2 vs Michigan (10-13)
7-1/2 vs Tennessee (42-17)
2-1/2 vs Oregon (41-21)
6 vs Texas (28-14)
9-1/2 vs Notre Dame
 
That Michigan loss doesn't match USC losing as a 41-pt favorite to Stanford in 2007, but it is truly baffling.

I'm going to start a topic at some point exploring the hypothetical of Ohio State NOT losing to Michigan and how things would have played out in that scenario.

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CBS Sports Gives tOSU a B+. I'd give the Bucks D an A and the O a C-.

 

 

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Here is the report card for each team that played in the CFP semifinals

 

 

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On 1/11/2025 at 4:07 PM, Solar said:

I'm going to start a topic at some point exploring the hypothetical of Ohio State NOT losing to Michigan and how things would have played out in that scenario.

I’ll save you some time. It would end with Ohio State winning the national championship.

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Saturday Tradition's First Thoughts on the Champ Game

 

 

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The 8th-seeded Buckeyes will take on the 7th-seeded Irish for the national championship in Atlanta on Jan. 20.

 

The 8th seed versus the 7th seed? 🤮

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The Sporting News Picks Ohio State to Win and Cover.

 

 

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Ohio State and Notre Dame will meet for the third straight season, and the winner of this one will take home a national championship.

 

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You know, I think Howard has been really good in the playoffs. 

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Ohio State defense, yards allowed per game

2021:  59th – 372.6

2022:  14th – 321.5 – Jim Knowles becomes D-coordinator

2023:  3rd – 265.4

2024:  1st – 251.1 (15 games)

 

496 - Oregon in October

276 - Oregon at Rose Bowl

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The Irish play a very aggressive man defense.  They're going to have to bracket Jeremiah like Texas did.

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At this point in the season OSU would beat the Ducks 8 out of 10 times. I say at this time because this team has evolved schematically and found it's mojo and swagger after the loss to Michigan. Kelly has ramped up the aggression and is allowing the supremely athletic players make plays. The player and coach meetings led to the players demanding to be cut loose.

 

The defense has totally changed since Saban called their approach antiquated. I think the defensive coordinator has finally wrestled control away from the long time line coach and is scheming up a storm. Hence the 8 sacks on the ducks. 

 

Another difference between the talent of the Ducks and Buckeyes is that the Buckeye players have been more developed by time in the program. Many of Oregon's best players came from the portal. New to the team. Jack Sawyer convinced many of his draft ready teammates to come back for one more year. Look who's dominated: Henderson, Sawyer, Tuimoloau, and Egbuka.

 

Finally, with the players cut loose the Buckeyes superior strength and speed show. Look how fast Henderson, Downs, and Styles play. In the Rose bowl the Buckeyes manhandled Oregon's offensive line. Men playing boys. 

 

I am an Oregon fan until they play the Buckeyes. Had football and women's basketball season tickets for over 10 years. Love the Ducks. They will be back. But they have some growing to do.

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Yes, OBD's do have to grow into being a great, elite team. Please dont take this as a criticism of the Ducks.

 

DL and staff are still putting the pieces together thru the high school ranks and portal.  Each year the recruiting rankings improve to the point thar talented 4 stars transfer out because they know they will not see the field. The talent gap continues to shrink..........  

 

Now DL and staff must grow as coaches. Nothing helps that more than in game experience. On the job training, learning and growing and taking responsibility for the results. DL took full responsibility for the Rose Boel loss. That is why my belief in DL continues to grow.

 

OBDF members while our coach is learning how to develope into a great head coach, he sports a 35-6 record and a BIG Title. The Duck trajectory is amazing. Osu2 has more than earned their spot in the title game. DL will wake up thinking about the next meeting with the Buckeyes because thats how he thinks.

 

The Ducks earned a seat at the CFP table, now they need to return and sit at the head of the table. The loss still stings but the future is awesome.

 

On a side note my son purchased 4 tickets to the Fiesta Bowl (he was a Longhorn fan growing up), Rose Bowl and Natty, fully expecting the Ducks to reach the title game. Within a few minutes of posting the 4 Natty tickets for sale a bidding war ensued and a true Buckeye fanatic swooped them up. All the cost of travel and the12 tickets were recouped. osu2 has a great, loyal fan base and I have a feeling that the Buckeyes and Ducks will create a great rivalry between elites for years to come.

 

GO DUCKS..........

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Great comments above but I am far from convinced that Ohio State defeats the Ducks eight or nine times out of ten games. 

 

The Bucks caught the Ducks in a tsunami, a perfect storm, aided and abetted by the Ducks having close to thirty days off before playing the Bucks. If 2024 had seen a 'traditional' Rose Bowl game and not a Rose Bowl playoff game, Ohio State would have been on the bench longer than Oregon. On the bench, while being pounded by the naysayers and not coming off a stellar victory at home vs. an SEC team. 

 

Also, please tell me where the ten games will be played. Would all of the games be played in Columbus or on a neutral field? This would not happen. Would Oregon have all hands on deck and healthy? 

 

Yes, in 2024-25, Ohio State had the bluest of the sports combined recruiting and portal picking, Blue Chip Roster. It had the same roster when it stumbled and bumbled vs. a Michigan team Oregon easily handled in Ann Arbor as in Pasadena. Chip Kelly was calling the plays vs. the Wolverines and called a horrible game.

 

How was Chip's play calling vs Texas? Smith was shut out in the first half, where were the adjustments at halftime? Ohio State broke a long play at the end of the half. It had an impressive drive on its first possession. After that? Thank goodness for Sark getting tricky at the goal line and the strip sack return by Sawyer. A great play by Sawyer but one that isn't happening in the majority of football games.

 

How was Chip's play calling and execution vs. Texas compared to Dilly who was a non-call away from playing Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl? As Lou Holtz says: You have a different team every week.

 

If the coaches decided how best to maximize the talent on the roster only after the players beefed, something is not right with the coaching.

 

In regard to the talent being homebred and developed within I agree in general. But without Howard, Caleb Downs, the AA center, etc.? In today's world of unfettered free agency, you build the best roster you can however you can.

 

Day has been the HC for five seasons and before that assisted Urban Meyer who recruited talented players. As Jim Harbaugh noted, 'Some coaches are born on third base.' Dan has been coaching on the West Coast for three seasons as was noted in the above excellent comments. He will learn. 

 

The Ohio State D once again came through in the Cotton Bowl. Ewers pulled a Houdini act or he would have been sacked as often as Gabe in the Rose Bowl. The Buckeyes O was missing in action. I'm not convinced that this Ohio State team will have its way with Notre Dame. Al Golden is a terrific DC and he has good game tape from the Cotton Bowl to use as a primer.

 

All the comments were terrific but I do not want to value Ohio State on its two best efforts of the season that came in the postseason or value the Ducks on a Rose Bowl meltdown. In comparing Chip's O vs Penn State and Will Stein's O, I'm going with Will. 

 

Beat the Domers!

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On 1/12/2025 at 10:09 AM, Jon Joseph said:

The Bucks caught the Ducks in a tsunami, a perfect storm

     I’m not one for excuse making, but I can’t quite get past the feeling that duhOSU was motivated not only by two losses in a row to us, plus the twin Rose Bowl trophies of CFP quarterfinal & (for them) the ‘real’ B1G championship, but by being the default representative of the traditional Big Ten members looking to see this west coast upstart put in its place for having made a mockery of their long, proud tradition in only one season.

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On 1/11/2025 at 6:34 PM, Tony said:

At this point in the season OSU would beat the Ducks 8 out of 10 times. I say at this time because this team has evolved schematically and found it's mojo and swagger after the loss to Michigan. Kelly has ramped up the aggression and is allowing the supremely athletic players make plays. The player and coach meetings led to the players demanding to be cut loose.

 

The defense has totally changed since Saban called their approach antiquated. I think the defensive coordinator has finally wrestled control away from the long time line coach and is scheming up a storm. Hence the 8 sacks on the ducks. 

 

Another difference between the talent of the Ducks and Buckeyes is that the Buckeye players have been more developed by time in the program. Many of Oregon's best players came from the portal. New to the team. Jack Sawyer convinced many of his draft ready teammates to come back for one more year. Look who's dominated: Henderson, Sawyer, Tuimoloau, and Egbuka.

 

Finally, with the players cut loose the Buckeyes superior strength and speed show. Look how fast Henderson, Downs, and Styles play. In the Rose bowl the Buckeyes manhandled Oregon's offensive line. Men playing boys. 

 

I am an Oregon fan until they play the Buckeyes. Had football and women's basketball season tickets for over 10 years. Love the Ducks. They will be back. But they have some growing to do.

While I agree Ohio State wins the majority of this year's matchup over several games, I disagree (guess I'm in that mood today).

 

The Buckeyes' loss to Michigan was the reason they're on a steamroll.

 

But they nearly lost their Jedi status on Friday.  Penalties hurt them.  I haven't seen the game yet, so I'm only guessing here, they tried to bully Texas (got caught up on that I'm more physical than you stuff).

 

I've watched Texas enough to know they had no business stopping a power passing team like Ohio State's.

 

Which brings us back to the Ducks.  The rematch would have been an OSU victory because Lanning has yet to suit his defense to the talent level of his players.

 

I don't think that happens eight times out of ten because clearly, teams have been able to handle OSU 's strengths on offense.  Nebraska, Indiana, Penn State...

 

I doubt Lanning keeps his same stuff next year, or even the next game against a lethal offense.  That's the definition of insanity and Dan Lanning is not insane. He's still a gambler but he's a much better gambler.  

 

I actually thought the secondary was much better this year, but as I previously mentioned, you cannot have guys guessing who they should cover, and when players are that out of position, they don't know what they're doing.  In other words, they are given rules that don't work against even ordinary offenses like Penn State and Michigan had this year. 

 

A safety is supposed to take away the deepest route in his area of responsibility.  Far too many times I saw Safeties twenty yards outside their area of containment.  That's unacceptable. 

 

As I've mentioned dozens of times, in games at that, Linebackers are eyeballing QBs like they're going to eat dinner.  There's a reason QBs are told to "move a safety or LB out of position .  One would think a DC would take note and at least bait a QB into a bad throw.  Given taking a QB's options away isn't part of the script, I see dark days ahead for OBD until they learn that lesson in a playoff game.

 

This year's set of DBs could zone cover well enough to slow that lethal group of Buckeye WRs.  That's the only way.  The Mandalorian way.  

 

Ohio State barely gets out of its way.  I hate to say that about Ryan Day, but now he has Chip, and Chip sure knows how to win his own way.  That's is documented at this point ( I'll give him credit though, he found a way to take that late 4th quarter lead on Friday).  

 

That's why I don't believe Lanning allows an 8/10 run.  This year or any year.  

 

When Lanning solves his pass coverage issues (some combo of above at least), he will win a Natty.  And  neither Ohio State, nor any other Blue Blood will stop him.  Not even the refs will stop him once he figures that problem out.

 

The Buckeyes are one of my favorite set of teams too. That's why I hate Ohio State fans.  They damn near cost themselves a title this year.  

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Some PO and PO teams factoids.

 

1936 - The last time Notre Dame defeated a tOSU football team. Elmer Layden was the ND head coach. Franklin Roosevelt was the U.S. President. Francis Schmidt coached tOSU. Thousands tuned in to listen to the game on the radio. 

 

The game at Notre Dame drew a then-record @50,000 fans. In 1936 The Shoe, which today sits 102,780 sat 66,210. 

 

The USA's population in 1936 was slightly over 102 Million people. College Football was King. Professional football was in its fledgling years. 

 

$2.6 MILLION DOLLARS 🤑 - OBD's share of the B1G's PO proceeds. Which is nice. 👍👌😍

 

Indiana is coming to town on 10/11/25. The schedule may have been soft but no team in 2024 had two 'better losses' than the Hoosiers. On the road at Ohio State and on the road at Notre Dame. And unlike Bama, the Fighting Cigs beat Michigan.😁

 

B1G teams in the Portal top 25 - 6. Nebraska/ 11. OREGON👍/ 13. Wisconsin - Billy Edwards Jr. who QB'd Maryland last season will be back in Autzen with the Badgers on 10/25/25/ 17. Indiana - Picked up QB Fernando Mendoza, RS Sophomore from Cal.

18. UWho 😒/ 20. UCLA/ 24. Minnesota.

 

On OBD's 2025 schedule - SC 40/ Rutgers 46/ Penn State 58. And Michigan comes in at 35. The portal will again open for business after Spring Practice.

 

Tying this into the thread (I hope) OHIO STATE after the 1st Portal go-round comes in at 45. Lots of talent of course on the Buckeyes roster but the D Line in particular is losing quality players including the now legendary Jack Sawyer. 

 

BUCKS, Keep the Streak Against the Irish Going! Win and OBD will have the season's 'best' loss. 

 

BTW: CFB is not the only one sowing Bad Seeds. 😁

 

 

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My 2 cents as a Buckeye (homer) fan.

 

You remember that scene in STAR WARS where Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi are fighting?  Just before Ben is killed, he says to Darth “You can’t win Darth.  If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”

 

Michigan unlocked Obi-Wan Buckeye

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On 1/15/2025 at 2:51 PM, Intravenus de Milo said:

Just before Ben is killed, he says to Darth “You can’t win Darth.  If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”

 

 

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Perfect!  One of these days I’ll take the time to learn how to include videos and gifs

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The Buckeye’s starters have a higher ceiling than OBD’s plain and simple. I’ve used a Mike Tyson analogy before and I’ll do it again.

 

A dialed in and self confident Buster Douglas having the match of his life barely pulled off a monumental upset over a distracted and unfocused Tyson.

 

If there were a rematch, focused and locked in Tyson would have taken his head off in the first round. Sound familiar?

 

The Douglas team wouldn’t have had to analyze too hard about what just happened. A pissed off Tyson is what would have happened.

 

As Lanning’s recruits begin to fill up the starter spots, OBD will begin to look more like Tyson than Douglas.

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On 1/15/2025 at 3:15 PM, The Kamikaze Kid said:

 

If there were a rematch, focused and locked in Tyson would have taken his head off in the first round. Sound familiar?

Especially if before the rematch, Buster took 3 weeks off, and Tyson had a warm- up.

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On 1/15/2025 at 3:12 PM, Intravenus de Milo said:

Perfect!  One of these days I’ll take the time to learn how to include videos and gifs

See “Directions” at the top…all the other sites “make-you-figure-out,” while I provide actual directions for everyone.

 

And nobody reads them!

 

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