The Pac is Back!

[FishDuck Article]

The Beavers might have gotten blown out by Our Beloved Ducks on Saturday, but they did gain a conference over the weekend, as it is all but assured that the Pac-12 will live on. The conference poached Colorado State, Boise State, Fresno State and San Diego State from the Mountain West Conference. Mr. FishDuck took a minute from his fun ...

 

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Darren Perkins of FishDuck.com offers his thoughts on Oregon football after the Ducks beat Oregon State and pass into a bye week.

[HappyToBeADuck]

Darren, thank you for your article. Thank all the OBDF writers.....really appreciate all the different perspectives.

 

Not sure what the new PAC12(6) has planned for their expansion. Choosing wisely may lead to better media contacts.

 

Listening to JC, it was his impression from talking with the new AD's that they want to build a brand to compete with the BIG12(16) and ACC  

 

This is achievable! With UT and Oklahoma out of the 12, there are no glamour teams left. The new additions to the 12 are not glamour teams. Some just came from G5 conference.

 

All 4 additions to the PAC have been strong candidates to join P4(5) conferences. There is solid media money out there for filling the late TV market. I wish them all well.

 

It's not healthy for 2 conferences and 2 networks to dictate the landscape of college sports.

 

Being born and raised in Spokane I always cherished the rare Cougar win over the putrid dawgs. Congrats to all Cougar Nation for bringing agony to dawg pound nation 

 

Pretty sure UW will evenrually blame Oregon and PK for that loss.

 

Glad the Ducks put more pieces together against our main G5 rival.. Hoping they build on this the next 3 weeks. 

 

GO DUCKS.......

[Smith72]

Thanks Darren.  I loved your article!

 

Best line: "And. They. Humiliated. Themselves."

 

I enjoy your writing; thanks for sharing your gift.

[Charles Fischer]

A collection of G-5 schools combined is just another G-5 conference, and it will turn to G-6 and not P-5...IMHO.

 

Canzano (this morning) believes that what is left of the Mountain West will receive a terrible Media contract, and thus could spell the end of that conference.  MWC's commissioner has promised full legal action, and demands all conditions of departure are met by the leaving schools.

 

Will the Pig-2's stolen money be enough after the lawsuits?

 

 

[Jon Joseph]

 

Thank you, Darren, for an update on the uncalled-for, unnecessary destruction of the Mountain West.

 

The Pac-2 has paid $113M to date to rearrange G5 deck chairs with no qualms about destroying the MW and likely the Big Sky. The departing Pac-10 all knew the terms of the financial deals they were entering into before departing for the B1G, ACC, and the B12. The Pac-Whatever has no future media deal in place. As CBS Sports Dennis Dodd points out, there is no assurance that the MW newbies will receive more money than under the existing MW deal. 

 

Air Force Academy appears ready to join the AAC and AAC football members Army and Navy. Will USF, Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA, take the risk of possibly making less media money than in the AAC? If these teams are added, expect to hear from the Pac-Whatever that recent studies prove that Student-Athletes' health and welfare are significantly benefited by additional travel. 

 

This pinnacle of hypocrisy could have been avoided by simply merging with the Mountain West and rebranding the conference as the Pac-12. As every journalist who covers CFB and is in their right mind and not hustling for subscriptions have noted, there is NO WAY that the Power 4, especially the Power 2, will recognize the Pac-Whatever as a Power Conference. 

 

At least $100M of the $113M spent to date on this foolishness was earned by Oregon and the other departing Pac-10 schools. That this G5 mishmash owns the rights to the "Pac-12" name is further evidence that the morons who led the Pac-12 over the cliff made a moronic settlement in a case with no claim for damages against their schools instead of declaring bankruptcy. Just hand over $300M plus because you feel 'guilty' about the market leaving behind two teams that deserve to be left behind? BRILLIANT!

 

2025 should be the last year Oregon plays Oregon State in football. If the Civil War continues, it should be conditioned on all games played in Autzen. Ohio State plays Ohio University infrequently; when it does, the games are played in Columbus, Ohio, not Athens, Ohio.  

 

[JabbaNoBargain]

Let me see if I have this right.

1. Cozy up to MWC when in desperate need of a schedule 
2. Use pilfered funds for hostile takeover of your new scheduling buddy, possibly destroying a conference in the process due to your actions
3. ”Reimagine” the MWC as the new PAC with the 2 historically worst programs from the “real” PAC showing the way
4. Claim P5 status

This is moral high ground?

 

To me, the only conceivable way this becomes “P5”, which in reality means nothing, is if they continue to completely contradict themselves and add the top 2-3 programs from every G6 program across the country. The second they do that they lose their niche of becoming the “premiere west coast conference”…and it would still be debatable if that is a power conference.

 

That’s a whole lot of bullying to end up in the same spot as joining the MWC. 

 

[AllOregon]

I concur with what was said.   That adding more G5 mish mash does not make it a P5.

4-6 pigs joining 2 pigs on the farm is still a pig pile not Yellowstone Ranch.

[kirklandduck]

On 9/17/2024 at 9:46 AM, JabbaNoBargain said:

Let me see if I have this right.

1. Cozy up to MWC when in desperate need of a schedule 
2. Use pilfered funds for hostile takeover of your new scheduling buddy, possibly destroying a conference in the process due to your actions
3. ”Reimagine” the MWC as the new PAC with the 2 historically worst programs from the “real” PAC showing the way
4. Claim P5 status

This is moral high ground?

 

To me, the only conceivable way this becomes “P5”, which in reality means nothing, is if they continue to completely contradict themselves and add the top 2-3 programs from every G6 program across the country. The second they do that they lose their niche of becoming the “premiere west coast conference”…and it would still be debatable if that is a power conference.

 

That’s a whole lot of bullying to end up in the same spot as joining the MWC. 

1.  

The moral high ground went out the window when USC/UCLA backstabbed the rest of the conference and caused its downfall.  Right now it's just a matter of survival for OSU/WSU.  I don't like that they pilfered all that money from the departing schools in court but I do understand their efforts to survive.

 

I think they know that even if they're able to pull 2-4 other G5 teams (probably from the AAC) they understand that they're still a G5 conference.  It's really a matter of stability at this point.  But I also think that they are playing a longer game with plans to re-invite Stanford and Cal when/if the situation becomes right.  The ACC is on shaky ground right now and if it implodes in the next off-season it would be a no-brainer for those two to go back to a place that makes more geographical sense. ***Plus if they get teams like UTSA and Tulane, that might provide an argument to pull another ACC team in that same approximate area.

 

If that happens then you have 4 former P5 teams in the mix and that puts the Pac-12 in this weird grey area in between the G5 and P4 where they're sort of stronger than those mid-tier conferences but definitely weaker than a P4.  I have no idea what happens at that point.

 

***EDIT: Additional thought

[DuckFan93]

Further expansion of 6-pac will depend on TV contracts as I don't think they have more stolen $ left...   Would any network pay enough to even provide as much as the 20ish Millon/school that caused the collapse?   I highly doubt it.   The market will definitely tell if they are just another G5.

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 5:38 AM, HappyToBeADuck said:

Darren, thank you for your article. Thank all the OBDF writers.....really appreciate all the different perspectives.

 

Not sure what the new PAC12(6) has planned for their expansion. Choosing wisely may lead to better media contacts.

 

Listening to JC, it was his impression from talking with the new AD's that they want to build a brand to compete with the BIG12(16) and ACC  

 

This is achievable! With UT and Oklahoma out of the 12, there are no glamour teams left. The new additions to the 12 are not glamour teams. Some just came from G5 conference.

 

All 4 additions to the PAC have been strong candidates to join P4(5) conferences. There is solid media money out there for filling the late TV market. I wish them all well.

 

It's not healthy for 2 conferences and 2 networks to dictate the landscape of college sports.

 

Being born and raised in Spokane I always cherished the rare Cougar win over the putrid dawgs. Congrats to all Cougar Nation for bringing agony to dawg pound nation 

 

Pretty sure UW will evenrually blame Oregon and PK for that loss.

 

Glad the Ducks put more pieces together against our main G5 rival.. Hoping they build on this the next 3 weeks. 

 

GO DUCKS.......

Thanks! With 5 automatic bids for conference champions, you don't necessarily have to compete with anyone, just make sure you're one of the Top 5. Which the Pac should easily be after they snag a couple of AAC teams!

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 5:45 AM, Smith72 said:

Thanks Darren.  I loved your article!

 

Best line: "And. They. Humiliated. Themselves."

 

I enjoy your writing; thanks for sharing your gift.

Thanks! The Huskies are not at the level of reloading.... they have to have a full rebuild. 

[Charles Fischer]

So, all of Oregon State's bad administrative decisions of the past are ignored, and they blame their current circumstance on Oregon, right?

 

Gosh, it seems to me that they continue to make bad administrative decisions on their own right now...without Oregon!

 

 

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 8:30 AM, Charles Fischer said:

A collection of G-5 schools combined is just another G-5 conference, and it will turn to G-6 and not P-5...IMHO.

 

Canzano (this morning) believes that what is left of the Mountain West will receive a terrible Media contract, and thus could spell the end of that conference.  MWC's commissioner has promised full legal action, and demands all conditions of departure are met by the leaving schools.

 

Will the Pig-2's stolen money be enough after the lawsuits?

 

 

Geez, Charles, I didn't realize you were so bitter towards the Beavs and Cougs!!! lol, joking

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 9:38 AM, Jon Joseph said:

 

Thank you, Darren, for an update on the uncalled-for, unnecessary destruction of the Mountain West.

 

The Pac-2 has paid $113M to date to rearrange G5 deck chairs with no qualms about destroying the MW and likely the Big Sky. The departing Pac-10 all knew the terms of the financial deals they were entering into before departing for the B1G, ACC, and the B12. The Pac-Whatever has no future media deal in place. As CBS Sports Dennis Dodd points out, there is no assurance that the MW newbies will receive more money than under the existing MW deal. 

 

Air Force Academy appears ready to join the AAC and AAC football members Army and Navy. Will USF, Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA, take the risk of possibly making less media money than in the AAC? If these teams are added, expect to hear from the Pac-Whatever that recent studies prove that Student-Athletes' health and welfare are significantly benefited by additional travel. 

 

This pinnacle of hypocrisy could have been avoided by simply merging with the Mountain West and rebranding the conference as the Pac-12. As every journalist who covers CFB and is in their right mind and not hustling for subscriptions have noted, there is NO WAY that the Power 4, especially the Power 2, will recognize the Pac-Whatever as a Power Conference. 

 

At least $100M of the $113M spent to date on this foolishness was earned by Oregon and the other departing Pac-10 schools. That this G5 mishmash owns the rights to the "Pac-12" name is further evidence that the morons who led the Pac-12 over the cliff made a moronic settlement in a case with no claim for damages against their schools instead of declaring bankruptcy. Just hand over $300M plus because you feel 'guilty' about the market leaving behind two teams that deserve to be left behind? BRILLIANT!

 

2025 should be the last year Oregon plays Oregon State in football. If the Civil War continues, it should be conditioned on all games played in Autzen. Ohio State plays Ohio University infrequently; when it does, the games are played in Columbus, Ohio, not Athens, Ohio.  

 

I don't think they're angling for the "power conference" label. Just being the 5th strongest so they can get an auto-qulifier in the playoff. 

[DC Featherbutt]

On 9/17/2024 at 8:30 AM, Charles Fischer said:

A collection of G-5 schools combined is just another G-5 conference, and it will turn to G-6 and not P-5...IMHO.

 

Canzano (this morning) believes that what is left of the Mountain West will receive a terrible Media contract, and thus could spell the end of that conference.  MWC's commissioner has promised full legal action, and demands all conditions of departure are met by the leaving schools.

 

Will the Pig-2's stolen money be enough after the lawsuits?

 

 

Full legal action?  Great news.

 

I heard Canzano interview the pig2 commish a few weeks ago.  She talked about how close she and the MWC commish are.  Mutual admiration.  "That dress does not make you look fat", 

 

And just like that we have a cat fight.

 

You go girl.  Lawyers burn money as fuel.  Let's go racing.

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 9:46 AM, JabbaNoBargain said:

Let me see if I have this right.

1. Cozy up to MWC when in desperate need of a schedule 
2. Use pilfered funds for hostile takeover of your new scheduling buddy, possibly destroying a conference in the process due to your actions
3. ”Reimagine” the MWC as the new PAC with the 2 historically worst programs from the “real” PAC showing the way
4. Claim P5 status

This is moral high ground?

 

To me, the only conceivable way this becomes “P5”, which in reality means nothing, is if they continue to completely contradict themselves and add the top 2-3 programs from every G6 program across the country. The second they do that they lose their niche of becoming the “premiere west coast conference”…and it would still be debatable if that is a power conference.

 

That’s a whole lot of bullying to end up in the same spot as joining the MWC. 

 

I don't think it matters if they get the "power" label, the key is to be the fifth best conference so they can get an auto-qualifier in the playoff, which would be most years. 

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 10:24 AM, AllOregon said:

I concur with what was said.   That adding more G5 mish mash does not make it a P5.

4-6 pigs joining 2 pigs on the farm is still a pig pile not Yellowstone Ranch.

They key is to be one of the top 5 conferences to get the automatic qualifier most years. Access to the playoff is key. 

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 10:43 AM, kirklandduck said:

The moral high ground went out the window when USC/UCLA backstabbed the rest of the conference and caused its downfall.  Right now it's just a matter of survival for OSU/WSU.  I don't like that they pilfered all that money from the departing schools in court but I do understand their efforts to survive.

 

I think they know that even if they're able to pull 2-4 other G5 teams (probably from the AAC) they understand that they're still a G5 conference.  It's really a matter of stability at this point.  But I also think that they are playing a longer game with plans to re-invite Stanford and Cal when/if the situation becomes right.  The ACC is on shaky ground right now and if it implodes in the next off-season it would be a no-brainer for those two to go back to a place that makes more geographical sense. ***Plus if they get teams like UTSA and Tulane, that might provide an argument to pull another ACC team in that same approximate area.

 

If that happens then you have 4 former P5 teams in the mix and that puts the Pac-12 in this weird grey area in between the G5 and P4 where they're sort of stronger than those mid-tier conferences but definitely weaker than a P4.  I have no idea what happens at that point.

 

***EDIT: Additional thought

Nicely put. They key is to be the 5th best conference to they will get the auto qualification to the playoff, most years. 

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 11:02 AM, DuckFan93 said:

Further expansion of 6-pac will depend on TV contracts as I don't think they have more stolen $ left...   Would any network pay enough to even provide as much as the 20ish Millon/school that caused the collapse?   I highly doubt it.   The market will definitely tell if they are just another G5.

They should get "ok" money as they will own the late night slot. I would think the money will be better thanthe current MWC but not as good as the old Pac-12. 

[JabbaNoBargain]

On 9/17/2024 at 11:14 AM, Darren Perkins said:

I don't think they're angling for the "power conference" label. Just being the 5th strongest so they can get an auto-qulifier in the playoff. 

While what you said is accurate as far as what needs to be accomplished to provide a conceivable path to the playoff, Scott Barnes has in recent weeks regularly referred to themselves as P5...and they are not striving to be 5th best.

 

Let's also not distort previous uses of the phrase "moral high ground". No one backstabbed the PAC IMO, management ran it into the ground and teams left when the grant of rights expired. The PIG2 have routinely played the victim card and claimed they were betrayed and that only they were "loyal" (AKA had no options).

 

These same high-minded, loyal PIG2 have now intentionally, by choice, been the architects of the destruction of the MWC. I understand they're doing what they need to do, but to paint a picture they're anything but hypocrites is false IMO. Own it piggies.

Edited September 17 by JabbaNoBargain

[DrJacksPlaidPants]

This is a good read. Apparently, the MWC thought that they were operating from a position of strength when negotiating their scheduling agreement with the Pac 2. The year two scheduling agreement negotiations fell through when the Pac 2 decided to poach four MWC teams. Now it looks like the Pac 2 could be paying not only the poaching fees in the agreement, but also the exit fees of the teams it is gaining.

 

"The Mountain West, sources said, felt protected by its bylaws and a poaching fee included in a football scheduling agreement it signed with the Pac-12 in December. To leave the conference, a school is required to pay roughly $18 million with two years of notice and $36 million with a one-year notice. And if the Pac-12 accepted a Mountain West school as a new member, the Pac-12 would be required to pay a $10 million fee, with escalators of $500,000 more for each additional school. (The four-school fee for Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State is $43 million.)" 

 

 

Inside the Pac-12's four-team expansion - ESPN

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From 12 to 2 to 6 schools and counting, here's how the foremost western conference stayed alive.

 

 

 

[noDucknewby]

Personally I don't take issue with what they're doing, i.e. looking out for their own best interests.  After the SoCal exodus the remaining P-12 members would have had zero qualms about raiding another conference, even if it caused it's ultimate demise.  That's how the game is being played now.  I don't like it, but that doesn't change the state of affairs.

 

Crap rolls down hill, B1G>P-12>MWC>Big Sky; SEC>Big-12>AAC>Sun Belt/Conference USA.  There's no way all the existing conferences survive and the broadcast giants probably don't want them to (same teams, fewer broadcast deals).

As for the P-?/New MWC they've got a decent shot at solid G-5 status and access to the 12-team playoff (unless of course the SEC and the B1G change the rules again, which is certainly possible).  The MWC not so much.  They've lost their best brands and any replacements would be of lesser caliber.  We're getting down to the bottom of the barrel here.

 

Another point, there's no way Stanford and Cal come back to the Pac.  They snubbed the Big-12 for the academic status of the ACC, there's no way they affiate with a bunch of cow colleges.

 

Clearly this is an extremely volatile situation.  I'm content to sit back with my popcorn and watch the show.  Yep the Pig-2 pilfered a whole bunch of $ they weren't entitled to, but who ever said the legal system is fair?  I'm over it, we'll be just fine, lack of resources isn't one of our problems.

Edited September 17 by noDucknewby

[DrJacksPlaidPants]

On 9/17/2024 at 2:15 PM, DC Featherbutt said:

Full legal action?  Great news.

 

I heard Canzano interview the pig2 commish a few weeks ago.  She talked about how close she and the MWC commish are.  Mutual admiration.  "That dress does not make you look fat", 

 

And just like that we have a cat fight.

 

You go girl.  Lawyers burn money as fuel.  Let's go racing.

Maybe Teresa Gould will offer Nevarez a low paying job as her gopher at the Pac-6 after gutting her conference. This is all very "Game of Thrones".

 

[kirklandduck]

On 9/17/2024 at 11:20 AM, Darren Perkins said:

Nicely put. They key is to be the 5th best conference to they will get the auto qualification to the playoff, most years. 

Agreed.  That auto qualifier becomes a really large selling point for those upper tier G5 or lower tier P4 teams and they will give the Pac-12 a serious look because of it.

[Jon Joseph]

On 9/17/2024 at 2:17 PM, Darren Perkins said:

I don't think it matters if they get the "power" label, the key is to be the fifth best conference so they can get an auto-qualifier in the playoff, which would be most years. 

 

In 2024-25 and 2025-26 the fifth highest ranked conference team is in the PO field.

 

There is no assurance and I think it is very unlikely, that the PO format for the next 2 seasons will continue. 

 

Regardless, how are 2 teams that never made a PO appearance plus 4 teams that never made a PO appearance the best G5/G6 conference? The only kind of brand name the Pac-2 added is Boise State. Will UTSA, Tulane, USF, Memphis, and other AAC teams leave the AAC for a bird in the bush?  

 

Air Force Academy is rumored to be headed to the AAC and join football members Army and Navy. I think the AAC is as likely to poach UNLV as is the Pac-6. I do not believe the Pac-6 today has overtaken the AAC. FWIW, MAC school No. Illinois would be the G5 representative if the PO field was seeded today. Next in the AP top 25 comes AAC Memphis. Boise at No. 27 comes in third.

 

You could merge the Pac-6, what's left of the Mountain West, and the AAC, and the combination would not give the conference Power Playoff status. As noted above, all of this is rearranging G5 deck chairs. The B1G and the SEC each receive 29% of PO revenues. The Power 2 will not take a lesser cut to accommodate the Pac-12

 

What will incentivize ESPN, FOX, and CW to pay more than they are paying for the same inventory? The Pac-12 name?   

[30Duck]

On 9/17/2024 at 11:48 AM, JabbaNoBargain said:

These same high-minded, loyal PIG2 have now intentionally, by choice, been the architects of the destruction of the MWC. I understand they're doing what they need to do, but to paint a picture they're anything but hypocrites is false IMO. Own it piggies.

This encapsulates my interest in the goings on at Beaversville. The coach's post-game comments go right there with, "refurbished" Reser Stadium. Put lipstick on a pig.

[HDuck]

As Jon points out, the obvious plan for the Pac is to make the appropriate chess moves to clear the field of CFP competition.   Take the best of the Mt. West.   Pay up to take Memphis and Tulane from the American.  That would position the Pac for the 5th best conference champion and the Playoff.

 

What other competition would be left?   The MAC?  Maybe.  Conference USA, or Sun Belt?  Doubt it.

 

That is the strategy.   But, whether the Playoff retains a guaranteed slot for No. 5 remains to be seen.  I suppose the Pac could attempt the argument that a Non-Four should have at least an At-large slot?

[Steven A]

On 9/17/2024 at 9:46 AM, JabbaNoBargain said:

Claim P5 status

I sense Jimmy Lake's prowess striking again.

[Darren Perkins]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:26 PM, Jon Joseph said:

 

In 2024-25 and 2025-26 the fifth highest ranked conference team is in the PO field.

 

There is no assurance and I think it is very unlikely, that the PO format for the next 2 seasons will continue. 

 

Regardless, how are 2 teams that never made a PO appearance plus 4 teams that never made a PO appearance the best G5/G6 conference? The only kind of brand name the Pac-2 added is Boise State. Will UTSA, Tulane, USF, Memphis, and other AAC teams leave the AAC for a bird in the bush?  

 

Air Force Academy is rumored to be headed to the AAC and join football members Army and Navy. I think the AAC is as likely to poach UNLV as is the Pac-6. I do not believe the Pac-6 today has overtaken the AAC. FWIW, MAC school No. Illinois would be the G5 representative if the PO field was seeded today. Next in the AP top 25 comes AAC Memphis. Boise at No. 27 comes in third.

 

You could merge the Pac-6, what's left of the Mountain West, and the AAC, and the combination would not give the conference Power Playoff status. As noted above, all of this is rearranging G5 deck chairs. The B1G and the SEC each receive 29% of PO revenues. The Power 2 will not take a lesser cut to accommodate the Pac-12

 

What will incentivize ESPN, FOX, and CW to pay more than they are paying for the same inventory? The Pac-12 name?   

The pacific time zone inventory and the teams in Pac-12 are better after the AAC has been gutted. Tulane and Memphis will want to be in the 5th best conference for access to PO. 

[PittDuck]

Darren,  I agree with your statement:

 

While the Ducks did look sharp, let us not forget that the Ducks are a much more talented team than the Beavers. The Ducks are deep, fast, and full of playmakers, and the Beavers are not.

 

However, we could substitute the word “Beavers” with “Vandals” or “Broncos” and would have to say Ducks did not look sharp…

[JabbaNoBargain]

Right.

 

The MWC is arguably the #5 conference currently. So it makes sense that rebranding it the PAC, adding the piggies and a couple random teams would keep it at #5.

 

$100m+ spent and introducing national travel will result in exactly the same thing as just joining the existing MWC. I’m sure the 3 or 4 teams that will be left out in the cold will appreciate the revenge bully tour.

 

Good job?

Edited September 19 by JabbaNoBargain

[Nevada Dawg]

 

Maybe a simple-minded outlook at this point, but as a Ducks fan, I'm glad that things are hunky dory in Eugene and care little about all the mental masturbation surrounding the less fortunate schools struggling to survive in the new football landscape. Don't misunderstand, I do care about these schools and hope that they can work out something to their satisfaction. Whether All Y'all are satisfied with what they come up means little to me and, I suspect, to the participants in the new PAC-12, 10, or whatever.

 

It is late, I don't mean to come across as overly preachy, but that's my say and I'll now clam up.

[JabbaNoBargain]

On 9/19/2024 at 10:29 PM, Nevada Dawg said:

 

Maybe a simple-minded outlook at this point, but as a Ducks fan, I'm glad that things are hunky dory in Eugene and care little about all the mental masturbation surrounding the less fortunate schools struggling to survive in the new football landscape. Don't misunderstand, I do care about these schools and hope that they can work out something to their satisfaction. Whether All Y'all are satisfied with what they come up means little to me and, I suspect, to the participants in the new PAC-12, 10, or whatever.

 

It is late, I don't mean to come across as overly preachy, but that's my say and I'll now clam up.

You’re spot on.
 

The recency of playing these clowns and living in PDX makes it flair up a bit…but I could see my interest fading fast. No matter how clever the teams they add are, watching UTSA play CSU in a conference tilt is still a yawn fest.

Edited September 20 by JabbaNoBargain

[kirklandduck]

Looks like the Pac has stalled!

 

Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA commit to AAC amid Pac-12 interest - ESPN

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Some of the highest-profile targets of the Pac-12's expansion have rebuffed its interest, as Memphis, Tulane, USF and UTSA all publicly committed to stay in the American Athletic Conference on...

 

I think their attention will now turn towards UNLV for the market and geographic sense.  However the MWC has added money to the pot to keep it's remaining members home.

[Charles Fischer]

This is beyond funny!  The three AAC teams rejected the SUC-6, and now UNLV and even Air Force are a longshot?

 

The Scrap-12 seems to be a most appropriate name, and thanks to 30Duck for coming up with it!

 

Oh well, I'm sure that Beavis

knows what he's doing!

[kirklandduck]

I was skeptical of those far flung AAC schools joining...they're G5 schools with much lower budgets than any P4 school so the cost impact of all that potential long distance travel is much higher for them (plus the exit fees from the AAC are high).

 

Apparently now UNLV and Utah State are the primary focus but there are a ton of local politics in play for UNLV that may get in the way.

[DrJacksPlaidPants]

Utah State is in. Only one more team to add and they get to be a real conference.

[Charles Fischer]

On 9/23/2024 at 5:30 PM, DrJacksPlaidPants said:

Utah State is in.

Wow.  It SHOUTS of G-5!

 

 

[JabbaNoBargain]

Not to mention Utah State is in some pretty serious turmoil right now

[Jon Joseph]

A bird in the hand ...

 

$113M and counting for THIS? Is anyone surprised the AAC teams told the Pac-6 to buzz off? 

 

Why would any network pay significant money for late-night inventory when Fox, CBS, and NBC already own Oregon, UCLA, USC, and UW inventory, and Fox and ESPN have inventory in Arizona and in the Rocky Mountain time zone with CU, Utah, and BYU? 

 

I think the Pac-2 hired the same consultants who recommended hiring Larry and George K. 

 

For goodness sake Rob, cancel the game scheduled in Logan, Utah now and never, ever, again schedule Boise State or any other Pac-Whatever team. 

 

The AAC invitees did not wait very long to say: NO!