Public Apology to JabbaNoBargain (From Original Post of CFB Playoff Committee to HOSE Oregon?)

[Charles Fischer]

My Duck-Buddies, this moderating is harder than it looks.

 

I have become sensitive to what people write in order to preserve our GREEN REFUGE, and it has been brought to my attention by an OBD member, and by JabbaNoBargain in an email that I misread his post, No. 30 in this thread.  I thought he was throwing shade on OBD members who disagreed with him, (Post No. 31) but he was actually throwing shade on the Playoff committee of which is not a violation because it is his opinion on a topic is all.

 

So I made that mistake, and made another mistake of pointing it out in public.  Usually I do it in private via email, and then people correct me if I misread it.  I did an ill-advised knee-jerk reaction to his post, and did it publicly, which is not my usual protocol.

 

So I wish to publicly apologize to JabbaNoBargain, as he did nothing wrong, and should not have been placed in an embarrassing position due to my evening mental feebleness. I am sorry to him for this episode, as geez...I really messed up.  What he wrote was a normal opinion given by all of us on topics, and he did not deserve that.

 

I also wish to apologize to all of you for having to see those posts, read this post, and cringe to them all.  Once in a while I forget my own rules, and blow it. Just as I give violation offenders second chances, I hope JabbaNoBargain and all of you will do the same.  When I mess-up, I will own it and apologize.  (I just wish I did not have to do it every year!)

 

My thanks for your patience and JabbaNoBargain's patience with this, and now let's move forward following a magical Oregon football season.

 

Charles Fischer

 

 

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So let me see if I got this right....both the AP and Coaches poll rank Oregon the No. 1 team in the nation, and rank Ohio State as the No. 2 team in CFB...right?

 

Normally, when you set up a bracket, you have the No. 1 seed on one side and the No. 2 seed on the other side....unless you have this new system that they are bound to no matter what? 

 

Right now the projections show that Ohio State and Oregon meet in the Semi-Finals for probably the third time this season because Oregon is the conference champion. The Buckeyes are the best team who not a conference champion, thus an automatic No. 5 Seed and in our bracket?

 

That sets up the SEC....again.

 

 

[Jon Joseph]

 

NO WORRIES. OBD defeats UW, now 6-5 and a dangerous team in the Pacific time zone with two capable QBs and a very good RB, and -11 tOSU defeats Indiana and Michigan in Columbus, it will be a battle of the Os rematch in the B1G Champ game. 

 

In this case, unless one of the Os blows the other out, on 12/8/24 it will be Oregon as the No. 1 seed and Ohio State as the number No. 5 seed or vice versa. 

 

No. 3 Texas has Kentucky and at A+M remaining to be played. A+M before hosting Texas has what could be a tricky game at Auburn this week. Regardless one of the two with 1 SEC loss will have at least 2 SEC losses after their game on 11/29. If Georgia wins out vs. UMass and Georgia Tech, I think a 2-loss UGA would play a 2-loss Alabama in the SEC champ game. 

 

A 2-loss Texas with no wins against the Committee's final top 25 could find itself out of the PO in favor of 2 or 3 loss Georgia/ Bama, and 2 loss Ole Miss and Tennessee. A bad loss by Indiana Saturday and a 2nd loss by Penn State could see five SEC teams in the field.

 

Wax UW! And I hate to say it but: SC, Ding the Domers!

 

Ohio State has moved to -12; Penn State is -11.5 on the road vs Minnesota. 

[Charles Fischer]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:21 AM, Jon Joseph said:

In this case, unless one of the Os blows the other out, on 12/8/24 it will be Oregon as the No. 1 seed and Ohio State as the number No. 5 seed or vice versa. 

Precisely my point; we should NOT be in the same bracket, because even if Ohio State loses to Oregon in the B1G Championship...they will probably get the No. 5 Seed and are in our Playoff Bracket.

 

Oregon playing who everyone recognizes as the No. 2 team in the nation, three fricken times?

 

 

[JabbaNoBargain]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:34 AM, Charles Fischer said:

Precisely my point; we should NOT be in the same bracket, because even if Ohio State loses to Oregon in the B1G Championship...they will probably get the No. 5 Seed and are in our Playoff Bracket.

 

Oregon playing who everyone recognizes as the No. 2 team in the nation, three fricken times...

 

 

I'll be mildly surprised if tOSU gets the nod over one of the big names from the SEC with the same number of losses. Probably depends on the nature of the loss by tOSU. I don't think that it is a certainty that a conference championship loser automatically gets the nod over a #3 10-2 SEC team (especially if it's Alabama or Georgia) that lost a conference tiebreaker and didn't play in their championship game.

 

We shall see!

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:04 PM by JabbaNoBargain

[Jon Sousa]

They should always try to put the top 2 contenders from the same conference in opposite sides of the bracket.

[Jon Joseph]

On 11/18/2024 at 2:57 PM, JabbaNoBargain said:

I'll be mildly surprised if tOSU gets the nod over one of the big names from the SEC with the same number of losses. Probably depends on the nature of the loss by tOSU. Additionally, I don't think that it is a certainty that a conference championship loser automatically gets the nod over a #3 10-2 SEC team (especially if it's Alabama or Georgia) that lost a conference tiebreaker and didn't play in their championship game.

 

We shall see!

 

 

 

If the B1G conference champ game does feature OBD vs tOSU, why should the loser of a close game be penalized for playing in its conference champ game; especially, when Notre Dame has a champ game 'bye' and 2-loss teams sit out the conference champ game? 

 

If Georgia plays Alabama in the SEC champ game then based on strength of record and strength of schedule a 3-loss UGA or Bama should get in instead of a possible 2-loss Texas and should be seeded above even a 1-loss Texas.

 

The Committee penalizes conference champ losers and it will be a black eye for the Committee and likely lead to multiple automatic PO spots for three or four B1G and SEC teams come 2026. 

 

And while it's not desirable as Charles pointed out, if there are four B1G teams in the PO field as we should so desire ($$$$), we will see at least one and likely both brackets having B1G teams in the same bracket.   

[JabbaNoBargain]

On 11/18/2024 at 12:14 PM, Jon Joseph said:

 

If the B1G conference champ game does feature OBD vs tOSU, why should the loser of a close game be penalized for playing in its conference champ game; especially, when Notre Dame has a champ game 'bye' and 2-loss teams sit out the conference champ game? 

 

If Georgia plays Alabama in the SEC champ game then based on strength of record and strength of schedule a 3-loss UGA or Bama should get in instead of a possible 2-loss Texas and should be seeded above even a 1-loss Texas.

 

The Committee penalizes conference champ losers and it will be a black eye for the Committee and likely lead to multiple automatic PO spots for three or four B1G and SEC teams come 2026. 

 

And while it's not desirable as Charles pointed out, if there are four B1G teams in the PO field as we should so desire ($$$$), we will see at least one and likely both brackets having B1G teams in the same bracket.   

Don’t disagree with your logic of how it should be, but I could still see 10-2 Georgia (or whoever loses SEC tiebreaker and doesn’t play in the SEC championship game) getting the nod for a 5 seed over 11-2 tOSU due to strength of schedule. As I said, depends on the nature of the theoretical tOSU loss. 
 

The real jockeying will be if Indiana beats tOSU and then loses to OBD to finish 12-1.
 

Black eyes are already going to be plentiful when/if the tournament has 8 or 9 teams from the big 2.

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:42 PM by JabbaNoBargain

[Solar]

I know it's easy to forget, but there is this other B1G team lurking out there that indeed could jump the loser of the CCG - Penn State. They were at #4 last week and unlikely to move this week or next.

[Charles Fischer]

On 11/18/2024 at 12:14 PM, Jon Joseph said:

And while it's not desirable as Charles pointed out, if there are four B1G teams in the PO field as we should so desire ($$$$), we will see at least one and likely both brackets having B1G teams in the same bracket. 

I am OK with another B1G team in our bracket, unless it is a team we have to play for the third time.  Remember....if Oregon loses the B1G Championship...we quite likely will be the No. 5 Seed in their demented bracket, and again...we would play Ohio State for the third time when meeting in the Playoff.

 

This is SO...

 

[JabbaNoBargain]

On 11/18/2024 at 12:37 PM, Solar said:

I know it's easy to forget, but there is this other B1G team lurking out there that indeed could jump the loser of the CCG - Penn State. They were at #4 last week and unlikely to move this week or next.

And Indiana could win out.

Bottom line for me is we’re in good shape to try to win it. 

Edited Monday at 08:49 PM by JabbaNoBargain

[HappyToBeADuck]

Its best we win out. Leave nothing to chance.

 

Then win the BIG CCG!

 

It really doesnt matter if we play tOSU 3 times or Indiana/ BSU 2 times in the same year.

 

We have to beat 3 or 4 of the top 12 teams in the land to bring home the Natty.

 

Counting the BIG CCG then we have to beat 4 top teams.

 

Finally OBD's gets their shot after 10 years to put it all on the line.

 

What great exciting games for us fans....plus DL has assembled a team that has a fighting chance.

 

GO DUCKS....handle the huskies.....

[David Marsh]

If Ohio State loses to us again they may drop to number 3 overall. Sure, they say they won't punish a conference championship loser but they will...

 

It just won't be an elimination game for the B1G or SEC loser. The Big 12 and ACC loser is highly unlikely to make the playoffs at all. 

 

But they might drop the B1G loser slightly more and put them at 4 or 5 overall which might sort out the problem. 

 

Highly unlikely though. Unless... We blow out Ohio State which might do it. 

 

But look at it this way... If Oregon beats Ohio State three times in one season that puts the history of the series at 4-8 Ohio State. In almost one year we'd cut their lead in the series in half and probably outright break their fanbase at the same time.

 

[GeotechDuck]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:57 AM, JabbaNoBargain said:

I'll be mildly surprised if tOSU gets the nod over one of the big names from the SEC with the same number of losses. Probably depends on the nature of the loss by tOSU. I don't think that it is a certainty that a conference championship loser automatically gets the nod over a #3 10-2 SEC team (especially if it's Alabama or Georgia) that lost a conference tiebreaker and didn't play in their championship game.

 

We shall see!

 

 

I’m with you here.  If tOSU loses to Oregon again, then I think the committee will push the second place SEC into the 5 seed slot.  Both will likely have 2 losses and by pushing tOSU to the 6 seed, you can avoid the third matchup in the semis.  
 

Where this gets interesting is if Oregon loses a very close game to tOSU. Then the committee almost has to put Oregon at the 5 seed and you have that matchup in the semis again.  
 

The 5 seed right now looks to be the easiest path to the semis if they get Boise then the Big-12 winner.  It may even have a small advantage over the 1 seed which seems crazy. 

[30Duck]

Urban agrees

 

“How about this, stare at this for a minute, so you got Ohio State, they’ll beat Boise (State) or at least they should. Then (if) they beat Miami they’re going to play Oregon for the third time this season,” Meyer said. “That’s a nightmare for a coach in a playoff. So they played in Eugene, they’re going to play in Indianapolis, probably, and then they’re going to play again in the [semifinals], unbelievable. First time ever.”

 

[MicroBurst61]

I think it was made clear when a month or so ago the playoff committee said they would NOT avoid conference rematches in the playoffs.  Here's what I think the playoff committee has in store for the Ducks and the field.

 

Primary focus.  One SEC team in Each bracket.

 

Two:  Load up one half (side) of the bracket with the B1G teams.

 

Three:  If the wins and losses fall "correctly" the committee would Love to see Oregon have to play...Boise St / Alabama, Miami, then Georgia in the championship.  The narratives and storylines for the pundits to talk about for that playoff month would be music to their ears if this were come to pass. 

 

Which if the Ducks "won-out" against that "wind" would have to be considered the best college football champion of all times.  Of course if they Lost any of those along the way it would be "fodder" for the talking heads.

 

In two years the conference championship games WILL be the first round of (seeding) the playoffs or will be eliminated all together.

 

Either way dem Ducks are going roll!!!

 

Go Ducks!

 

[Tandaian]

Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round.  Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. 

 

Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team.  The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system.

[Jon Joseph]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:53 PM, David Marsh said:

If Ohio State loses to us again they may drop to number 3 overall. Sure, they say they won't punish a conference championship loser but they will...

 

It just won't be an elimination game for the B1G or SEC loser. The Big 12 and ACC loser is highly unlikely to make the playoffs at all. 

 

But they might drop the B1G loser slightly more and put them at 4 or 5 overall which might sort out the problem. 

 

Highly unlikely though. Unless... We blow out Ohio State which might do it. 

 

But look at it this way... If Oregon beats Ohio State three times in one season that puts the history of the series at 4-8 Ohio State. In almost one year we'd cut their lead in the series in half and probably outright break their fanbase at the same time.

 

 

Ohio State's SOS in 2024, even with 3 donut holes OCC is No. 28 coming into Week 13. Ohio State played two top-five teams on the road, OBD, and Penn State, and went 1-1 with a 1-point loss in Eugene. Ohio State plays No. 5 Indiana on Saturday. Then, it plays a likely 6-5 bowl-eligible Michigan team; the Wolverines play Northwestern in Ann Arbor this Saturday.

 

On 12/7, No. 2 Ohio State is odds-on to play No. 1 Oregon in the B1G champion game. OBD or Ohio State should not be dinged for losing this game unless it is a complete blowout. If the Committee drops Oregon or Ohio State below a two-loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC champion game, Tony Petitti will be justified in requiring that the top 4 B1G teams in 2026 are in the PO field with the B1G and the SEC champ having the two top seeds. 

[David Marsh]

On 11/19/2024 at 7:56 AM, Tandaian said:

Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round.  Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. 

 

Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team.  The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system.

It certainly needs to be changed. 

 

I'm ok with automatic bids for conference champions, even though the reality of it is that a conference champion worthy of an invite should probably be default be in the top 12 teams. Though access is important for this format so auto bids are important to give the illusion that any team that makes the playoff could win it all. 

 

But lets just assume conference champs get auto bids. The real baffling thing with this format is why do conference champs get an automatic bye? They should get a bid and then with all bids they should be given a rank and those ranks should be slotted in. 

 

That's probably where the playoff is headed.

[JabbaNoBargain]

On 11/19/2024 at 8:46 AM, David Marsh said:

It certainly needs to be changed. 

 

I'm ok with automatic bids for conference champions, even though the reality of it is that a conference champion worthy of an invite should probably be default be in the top 12 teams. Though access is important for this format so auto bids are important to give the illusion that any team that makes the playoff could win it all. 

 

But lets just assume conference champs get auto bids. The real baffling thing with this format is why do conference champs get an automatic bye? They should get a bid and then with all bids they should be given a rank and those ranks should be slotted in. 

 

That's probably where the playoff is headed.

Indeed.
 

Expand to 16, 6 highest ranked champions get a bid with no guaranteed seeding, opening round games all hosted by higher seed, force ND to join a conference.

 

Boom, done!  

[Charles Fischer]

 

[GeotechDuck]

On 11/19/2024 at 7:56 AM, Tandaian said:

Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round.  Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. 

 

Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team.  The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system.

100%.  This year it is entirely possible that the 5 seed is goi g to get Boise followed by Colorado.  

[30Duck]

On 11/19/2024 at 8:14 AM, Jon Joseph said:

 

On 12/7, No. 2 Ohio State is odds-on to play No. 1 Oregon in the B1G champion game. OBD or Ohio State should not be dinged for losing this game unless it is a complete blowout. If the Committee drops Oregon or Ohio State below a 2-loss SEC team that did not play in the SEC champion game

Could this be when the SEC is hoisted on their own petard? In the past, an SEC team that didn't even play for the SEC championship, got in the Final Playoffs, and now they would feel it justified to drop the B1G championship loser below a 2 loss SEC team that didn't make their conference final?

 

The hypocrisy of that, and the 8 game schedule has to come due. 

[Steven A]

If a team loses a league championship game and doesn't make the playoffs, guess what; that was their play-in game and they lost it.

 

Go home, shut up, and prepare for next year.

 

Only one team will hold up the trophy and it is the one team that finished on a winning streak.  Losing a league championship game is not the start of a winning streak.

[Jon Joseph]

 

Charles, more ammo for your POV on PO seeding and brackets.

 

No. 5 Ohio State would play a 1st round game vs No. 12 BYU in Columbus. After defeating the Cougars, Ohio State would play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl; OBD would play the winner of Bama vs. Notre Dame in the Rose Bowl. 

 

Both teams advance and Oregon would play Ohio State in the Cotton or Orange Bowl. 

 

Eugene to Dallas - 2,056 miles. The Ducks in this round would choose the shorter trip to Dallas. 

 

Columbus to Dallas - 1,041 miles. 

 

Hell of a format.

[Charles Fischer]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:57 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Hell of a format.

[DUCati855]

On 11/18/2024 at 8:53 PM, David Marsh said:

But look at it this way... If Oregon beats Ohio State three times in one season that puts the history of the series at 4-8 Ohio State. In almost one year we'd cut their lead in the series in half and probably outright break their fanbase at the same time.

Yes! Lets do this! 

[Jon Joseph]

On 11/19/2024 at 10:56 AM, Tandaian said:

Nothing to be done about it this year or the next few years, but I can see the CFP reseeding after the opening round.  Since, the #5 seed is more often than not going to be ranked #2-#4 in the final rankings, why should they get a much easier path than the #1 seed. 

 

Yes, the #5 seed has to play an extra game, but it is at home and then they play the weakest automatic bid team.  The #5 seed is almost guaranteed a semi final birth every year with the current system.

 

In 2026, the Power 2 will be in control of the PO format and it will not look like this jury-rigged junk. 

 

Want to have 5 conference champs in, fine. But no preferred seeding and no Byes. 

[CalBear95]

My guess (hope?) is that the committee will operate a bit like they do for the basketball tournament when seeding and shape the bracket by dropping the Ducks or OSU to the 6 seed to avoid an outcome of the teams playing each other three times before the final where such a scenario would be acceptable.  In BB slotting teams to avoid each other as long as possible e.g., Final Four) for one reason or another (like this one) happens pretty frequently.  It would be smart for them to do that here.

[GeotechDuck]

On 11/21/2024 at 2:01 PM, CalBear95 said:

My guess (hope?) is that the committee will operate a bit like they do for the basketball tournament when seeding and shape the bracket by dropping the Ducks or OSU to the 6 seed to avoid an outcome of the teams playing each other three times before the final where such a scenario would be acceptable.  In BB slotting teams to avoid each other as long as possible e.g., Final Four) for one reason or another (like this one) happens pretty frequently.  It would be smart for them to do that here.

Agree.  Basketball has it figured out and they should follow that model.  However; so far, not so good.  The current bracket looks like it was formed on current record and has little to do with SOR, SOS, or type of loss.  It's unfortunate, because I feel like there was an opportunity to elevate SOR as a key metric to reward OOC scheduling, but it looks like they did the opposite.  If I was an AD in the SEC or BIG, I would schedule all cupcakes for OOC games. 

 

How do you have a team that has 2 Top 10 wins, another Top 20 win, and 2 top 10 losses above a team that has ZERO Top 25 wins and only 1 win against a team with a 0.500 or better record? 

 

The committee should be embarrassed right now.  

Edited yesterday at 12:08 AM by GeotechDuck

[JabbaNoBargain]

I just don’t share the same angst with the ratings as they stand today…looks about right to me with two regular season games to go for most teams.

 

What is the specific team(s) people think isn’t ranked properly?

 

The bracket formula is what it is, it’s what everyone agreed to. 

 

That being said, their reactions to this weeks games could induce some angst for me, we shall see. 

[Charles Fischer]

On 11/21/2024 at 4:24 PM, JabbaNoBargain said:

I just don’t share the same angst with the ratings as they stand today…looks about right to me with two regular season games to go for most teams.

 

What is the specific team(s) people think isn’t ranked properly?

 

The bracket formula is what it is, it’s what everyone agreed to. 

 

That being said, their reactions to this weeks games could induce some angst for me, we shall see. 

In this thread above and others--the case for Georgia is pretty strong, and that is what most were suggesting.

 

Let's not comment on the reaction of others, as everyone is free to give their thoughts because we "2) do not tell others how to think or what to write."

 

We all offer our opinions...and that is it.

 

Thanks.

 

[GeotechDuck]

On 11/21/2024 at 4:24 PM, JabbaNoBargain said:

 

 

What is the specific team(s) people think isn’t ranked properly?

 

Here are my opinions on this.  Georgia is very under-valued.  They are being penalized for playing an extremely difficult schedule.  They are the only team that has 3 wins against the Top 25, including 2 against the Top10.  Both of their losses are against the Top10 as well.  They are the only team in consideration that has played 5 ranked teams. 

 

Texas, Indiana, and ND are all currently over-valued.

 

Here is how I would rank them now:  

1) Oregon - Three Top 25 wins, no losses

2) tOSU - One Top 5 win and a loss to the No. 1 team

3) Georgia - Three Top 25 wins, including two vs the Top10.  Two good losses to Top 10 teams.  

4) Penn State - One Top 5 win and one close loss to the No. 2 team 

5) Tennessee - One Top 10 win; one Top 10 loss; one suspect loss  

6) Alabama - Two Top 25 wins, including a Top 10 win; one Top 10 loss; one suspect loss 

7) Ole Miss - Two Top 25 wins; one loss outside Top 25; one horrible loss

Indiana - Undefeated, but no Top 25 wins.

9) Texas - Only one win against a team with a winning record; Lost to the only ranked team they played.  

9) Notre Dame - One Top 25 win against a team that has no Top 25 wins; one horrible loss

10) Boise St. - Two Top 25 wins and lost to No. 1 by three.  SOS is outside the Top 60.

11) BYU - One Top 25 win; Beat SMU head to head. Poor SOS. 

12) SMU - No ranked wins, but a better loss than Miami (who also lost two other times and get bailed out by the refs).  

 

Here is my playoff prediction:

1) Oregon; wins the BIG CCG

2) Alabama; wins out + Missouri wins 1 of 2 to get into the CCG. Beats Texas or A&M in the CCG.

3) SMU; wins out + beats Miami in the CCG. 

4) Boise State; wins out and finishes higher than the Big-12 champion

5) ND; wins out. Slotted here above tOSU to avoid the UO vs tOSU hat trick

6) tOSU; runner up in BIG.  Drops a spot due to the CCG loss for seeding purposes.

7) Penn State; wins out but misses CCG.

Georgia; wins out, but misses CCG.  SOS gets them seeded above other SEC teams.

9) Texas; beats A&M but loses to Bama, but that is enough to keep them in the field.

10) Ole Miss - Wins out and is enough to stay in the field.    

11) Tennessee - with UTEP and Vandy left, they win out.

12) Colorado - wins the Big-12 and secures the 12 seed.

 

First teams out - Indiana, Miami, then BYU.  

 

Edited yesterday at 02:23 AM by GeotechDuck

[Charles Fischer]

Geotech...I was creating space in some areas of your post, and the software popped in emojis.  Not my intention, but the forum technology is malfunctioning at the moment. We understand your points, and appreciate the work put into creating the post. I am frustrated with the software mucking-up at this time, and apologize for giving your post some "decorations" that were unintended.

 

[GeotechDuck]

On 11/21/2024 at 5:53 PM, Charles Fischer said:

Geotech...I was creating space in some areas of your post, and the software popped in emojis.  Not my intention, but the forum technology is malfunctioning at the moment. We understand your points, and appreciate the work put into creating the post. I am frustrated with the software mucking-up at this time, and apologize for giving your post some "decorations" that were unintended.

 

Thank you very much for the help!  I was trying not to get too many spaces in there, but sometimes it backfires on me. I like it.  The decorations give it some flare.  

[30Duck]

On 11/21/2024 at 5:46 PM, GeotechDuck said:

Here are my opinions on this.  Georgia is very under-valued.  They are being penalized for playing an extremely difficult schedule.  They are the only team that has 3 wins against the Top 25, including 2 against the Top10.  Both of their losses are against the Top10 as well.  They are the only team in consideration that has played 5 ranked teams. 

 

Texas, Indiana, and ND are all currently over-valued.

 

I wish you were on the Committee. I'm sure there are disagreements to be had with your rankings, but I didn't find any. It looks like your analysis was much more thorough than that of the actual committee who really seem to be as interested in providing talking points as they are in ranking the teams accurately. 

[David Marsh]

On 11/21/2024 at 2:01 PM, CalBear95 said:

My guess (hope?) is that the committee will operate a bit like they do for the basketball tournament when seeding and shape the bracket by dropping the Ducks or OSU to the 6 seed to avoid an outcome of the teams playing each other three times before the final where such a scenario would be acceptable.  In BB slotting teams to avoid each other as long as possible e.g., Final Four) for one reason or another (like this one) happens pretty frequently.  It would be smart for them to do that here.

I'd say that would be the case except there would be a lot of anger if they did so because the 5 seed is significantly better than the 6 seed in both the first and second rounds.

[JabbaNoBargain]

On 11/21/2024 at 4:36 PM, Charles Fischer said:

In this thread above and others--the case for Georgia is pretty strong, and that is what most were suggesting.

 

Let's not comment on the reaction of others, as everyone is free to give their thoughts because we "2) do not tell others how to think or what to write."

 

We all offer our opinions...and that is it.

 

Thanks.

 

That was my opinion. So if that’s how this site rolls, adios.

[Jon Joseph]

On 11/22/2024 at 12:33 AM, JabbaNoBargain said:

That was my opinion. So if that’s how this site rolls, adios.

 

RELAX. I, for one, appreciate your participation and your opinions. Respectful disagreement is fine. How can anyone have a definitive opinion on PO rankings when they are all subjective? 

 

Last season, the champ played dog meat OOC. Ditto if Ohio State wins it all this season. And OBD? Not one P4 opponent OOC but one heck of a G5 opponent. Who knew?

 

It isn't perfect in the NFL, but it is far closer to perfect because this Sunday, no NFL team is playing The Citadel, UMass, UTEP, or Wofford. Every team plays the same number of League games. What a novel concept. 

 

We are probably headed to NFL-Lite but let's all enjoy this while we have it to enjoy and angst about.

 

DYER's Knee Was Down!

[Charles Fischer]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:33 PM, JabbaNoBargain said:

That was my opinion. So if that’s how this site rolls, adios.

No, you misunderstand, as we allow all opinions about the TOPIC.  But if you are commenting about the opinions of other OBD members--that is off-limits.  Let's look at what you wrote...

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 "I just don’t share the same angst with the ratings as they stand today…looks about right to me with two regular season games to go for most teams.

 

What is the specific team(s) people think isn’t ranked properly?

 

The bracket formula is what it is, it’s what everyone agreed to. 

 

That being said, their reactions to this weeks games could induce some angst for me, we shall see." 

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Did I misinterpret what you wrote?  It looks to me like you are making a side-swipe at those who disagree with you.  That is "Throwing Group-Shade," something we have covered often here and is in the rules as I dealt with it quite a bit.  (See Rule No. 2, 2a, and 2b)

 

If I read your post wrong--show me, and I'll apologize and own the mistake.  But if I am right...then you made a mistake, and I politely asked you to not repeat it.  EVERYBODY here that posts very often will muck-up once in a while, yours-truly included. Nobody wears a halo, and when we mess up--we own it, and then forget about it and move forward.

 

If you made a mistake and are going to leave over that?  Understood.  My first responsibility is to preserve the civility we have here; if we allow others to throw shade on those who disagree--it turns into a burning dumpster within a month. Yes, what you wrote was mild.  But I've learned that if left without a response--the behavior continues and gets worse.  You enjoyed the peace that we have here, and you enjoyed that because everyone else was following our objectives of being "polite and respectful" to fellow OBD members.

 

If you wish to debate/discuss it by email...I welcome it.  charles@fishduck.com

 

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On 11/21/2024 at 6:30 PM, 30Duck said:

looks like your analysis was much more thorough than that of the actual committee who really seem to be as interested in providing talking points as they are in ranking the teams accurately

And if the playoff committee actually applied your insight and logic, then how could there be controversy generated on how the top twelve are being slotted.

 

Again it's Not about logic, insight, or records, it's all about a "football" beauty contest (eyetest) and what will be Best for generating the max amount of "engagement" between fans and the sport.

 

If it was a "level playing field" then either last years (conference formally known as "the PAC) was the toughest conference in the country that simply "cannibalized" themselves;  OR the SEC this year is just down and full of "average (compared to the norm) teams.

You can't change the "narrative" to whatever your desired perceptions whenever it best suits you.

Drives me Batty the "double standards" applied simply based on the built up narrative on what football conference is what in the world of NFL-Lite.

 

Paaaaul "Fawn"baum is the mouthpiece that pushed this hard until it became "accepted" fact.  Also part of the reason that you might see 4 SEC teams in 4 different branches of the bracket.  Avoid those inter conference matchups for at least the first two rounds too better the chance of having 3-4 SEC teams in the semis.

 

ThUs able to continue the narrative entrenched surrounding the SEC.  I hope to hell it backfires and the SEC sits outside the final four, looking in!

 

As long as "The Duck" is the last one standing while hoisting up that NFL-Lite, championship trophy, I can live with(above) the disparity.

 

Go Ducks!

[Steven A]

On 11/18/2024 at 10:40 AM, Charles Fischer said:

geez...I really messed up.

We will let you know when your double secret probation ends.