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I do see some improvement in his coaching. He doesn't call timeouts to start the game.

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On 11/21/2021 at 2:07 PM, kirklandduck said:

 

  • - A mediocre QB Who's fault is that? 
  • - A new DC and defensive scheme (one could also argue the offensive scheme is also somewhat new given the circumstances and lack of time last season) What's new? This happens every other year.
  • - Season-ending injuries to a large number of critical players (as well as significant injuries times for other critical players) Where are the highly ranked recruits ready to step in? 
  • - A very young roster Common man. Is this really an excuse?

 

 

 

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On 11/21/2021 at 2:43 PM, Jon Joseph said:

 

It's been 4 years. When does 'time' run out?

Time will never run out and it shouldn’t run out as long as we are contending for ( and winning) pac-12 titles and recruiting at a top 10 level nationally.

 

If anything Mario needs a raise to keep him from going to LSU or usc 

 

Oregon without Mario =s multiple.500 seasons 

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Does anybody know how long it took Dabo Swinney to get his team to a championship level? It took him 7 years to get to a championship game and 8 to win one. It took him a bit to get the right players and coaches together. If MC ever leaves it will be tough sledding in Eugene for a good while. For one thing, we are second fiddle to the SEC in pecking order for available coaches. We also have to find someone who won’t use Oregon as a stepping stone to a better job. That’s hard to do unless they’re from the West Coast.

 

Long story short. Give the man some time. His team is young, which is why I think he stuck with a Senior QB. He is also dealing with a ton of injuries. There are 5 starters missing on offense and 6 on defense. If anything, he needs to look at what is happening in the strength and conditioning program and assess how how and why he is losing players in practice.

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On 11/21/2021 at 3:50 PM, Southwest Duck said:

Time will never run out and it shouldn’t run out as long as we are contending for ( and winning) pac-12 titles and recruiting at a top 10 level nationally.

 

If anything Mario needs a raise to keep him from going to LSU or usc 

 

Oregon without Mario =s multiple.500 seasons 

Sorry I can't buy the multiple .500 seasons. Oregon could hire a quality coach that if MC left today should be able to come in and take the talent we have and do well. Seems people panic when a coach leaves but other than Helfich taking Oregon into the dumpster it's been pretty flawless with coaching transitions. Taggert at least had a winning season and MC had a winning season since.

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On 11/21/2021 at 4:39 PM, GODUCKS15 said:

Sorry I can't buy the multiple .500 seasons. Oregon could hire a quality coach that if MC left today should be able to come in and take the talent we have and do well. Seems people panic when a coach leaves but other than Helfich taking Oregon into the dumpster it's been pretty flawless with coaching transitions. Taggert at least had a winning season and MC had a winning season since.

The key is not taking the talent we have, it is continuing to bring in that talent and using it properly.  I don't know of any other staff as relentless as this one and doubt anyone else would be able to duplicate it.  We still have a better this year than Clemson in a comparable conference.

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You’re right Charles. No one is calling for Cristobal’s head. But we’d like to see him evolve from playing smash mouth football into something more dynamic and entertaining, and successful, primarily on offense. He’s got his 5-star QB for next season….. hopefully he’ll take the shackles off.

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He's extremely overvalued. And, unfortunately, he refuses to learn from his mistakes. We have a very good chance of losing our next game. And even if we don't, do you truly believe we'll beat Utah in a rematch? I don't. 

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On 11/21/2021 at 4:55 PM, DUCKED said:

He’s got his 5-star QB for next season….. hopefully he’ll take the shackles off.

Don't get your hopes up. It would be completely out of character. Too much risk. 

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I think there is absolutely zero chance that Mullens fires Cristobal. That would be completely asinine and foolish. The admin will more likely try to offer him something around 6-7 million per year to keep him, but it won't be enough.

 

The reason Cristobal won't be coaching the Ducks next season is due to the crazy offers he is likely to receive over the next couple of months. I believe a few teams will make an offer similar to the one MSU offered Mel.

 

One of these big named schools is going to make him an offer he can't refuse, and the potential for Cristobal to work within a true hot bed for recruiting will be tough to pass up because the success in recruiting he is likely to have will be off the charts compared to what he has been able to do at Oregon. 

 

Cristobal at LSU is a scary thought for Bama, Georgia, Clemson etc. 

 

As I mentioned earlier, I also think the booing shook Cristobal and that will be all it will take for him to be like "forget it I am out of here" without feeling really bad about it. So the booing will kind of act as catalyst to remove some of Mario's sincere loyalty I believe he carries as part of his personality.

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On 11/21/2021 at 4:39 PM, GODUCKS15 said:

Sorry I can't buy the multiple .500 seasons. Oregon could hire a quality coach that if MC left today should be able to come in and take the talent we have and do well.

Exactly! It's not like a new coach would be walking into a dumpster fire of a program. Even if they can't recruit at Mario's level, they'd be hard pressed to coach any worse than he does.

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On 11/21/2021 at 5:19 PM, OregonRich said:

Even if they can't recruit at Mario's level, they'd be hard pressed to coach any worse than he does.

I’m pretty sure there are at least 9 in the PAC 12 and well over 2/3 of existing coaches nationwide that coach worse than MC.

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On 11/21/2021 at 5:37 PM, PittDuck said:

I’m pretty sure there are at least 9 in the PAC 12 and well over 2/3 of existing coaches nationwide that coach worse than MC.

I'd have to see how those coaches performed with the resources the Duck program has before I could agree with you. Heck, the Stoney Brook coach looked pretty good compared Mario. 

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On 11/21/2021 at 5:19 PM, OregonRich said:

Exactly! It's not like a new coach would be walking into a dumpster fire of a program. Even if they can't recruit at Mario's level, they'd be hard pressed to coach any worse than he does.

The problem with this logic is the new transfer rules…

 

If Mario leaves, so does a lot of our top talent and about half of this year’s incoming recruiting class. 
 

so yes we would probably win 6 or 7 games next year. 

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On 11/21/2021 at 5:44 PM, Southwest Duck said:

The problem with this logic is the new transfer rules…

 

If Mario leaves, so does a lot of our top talent and about half of this year’s incoming recruiting class. 
 

so yes we would probably win 6 or 7 games next year. 

If Mario stays we keep bringing in top talent.  We give our young qb valuable experience in 2022 and probably win 9-10 games.

 

2023 we would have a legitimate shot at the natty

 

If he leaves for Florida LSU or usc get ready for a lot of Sun Bowls. 

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On 11/21/2021 at 5:44 PM, Southwest Duck said:

The problem with this logic is the new transfer rules…

 

If Mario leaves, so does a lot of our top talent and about half of this year’s incoming recruiting class. 
 

so yes we would probably win 6 or 7 games next year. 

Quite possibly. But we're already losing top talent, through decommits, the portal, and the ineffective use of the players on the field and bench.

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On 11/21/2021 at 5:49 PM, Southwest Duck said:

If Mario stays we keep bringing in top talent.  We give our young qb valuable experience in 2022 and probably win 9-10 games.

 

2023 we would have a legitimate shot at the natty

 

If he leaves for Florida LSU or usc get ready for a lot of Sun Bowls. 

I have to agree to disagree here. Because with Mario, I don't see any chance of the Ducks winning a national championship. In my opinion, there are very few coaches who can make the other team look as good as Mario does. 

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Whats going to happen next year when he wont have AB?? Because he sure doesnt have any faith in new QB recruits.

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Lets also not forget that KT and possibly Sewel will be gone next year.

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Sewell won’t be gone unless he transfers.

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Mario is NOT the guy.  The fallacy of him delivering a Natty has been long over for me.  Like many, I remained cautiously optimistic that we could at least make it to playoffs with the talent that we have, KT, Sewell but who were we kidding?  After 4 seasons as Oregon's head coach, just like AB, we knew what we had to work with, going into the game.  He wasn't going to suddenly change his stripes overnight which includes all his strengths as well as his glaring weaknesses.

 

Mario knows how to recruit with the best of them, and he may even know something about coaching an OL, but Mario doesn't know DIDDLY SQUAT about managing the team and the clock, on the field.  In that sense, he is the WORST coach to have in college football, on game day.  I've been calling him an amateur all season and even that, is putting it mildly.  He continues to stubbornly defy the norm, with his poor decisions on the field, especially right before halftime and the end of game situations.  He's in his what, 6 or 7th year as a head coach of a football program.  There is no excuse for him, not to know what to do in these situations.  Yet, every game, he appears clueless and inexperienced.

 

He must have watched a ton of football games, but how much knowledge and wisdom has he actually absorbed?  He never learns from his mistakes.  In fact, I'm not even sure if he realizes that he made any.  If we don't learn from our mistakes, how can we expect to see any growth in our professions and as individuals?  From his first game to the present, I have seen zero growth and progress from him, on the field. 

 

I thought he was making progress, when I saw less penalties on the Ducks, but now, I see that it wasn't him that was growing, it was the players.  In two years, these youthful Ducks will be more seasoned and making less penalties. However, Mario will still be shooting himself in the foot, with his lack of knowledge and preparation.  Those penalties like delay of game and too many or insufficient players on the field, are on him and play callers, not having a play ready and knowing your opponent. Several times this season, the Ducks got caught with their pants down.  While the Ducks were running players on and off the field and looking down at their wristbands, the other team was snapping the ball and using tempo to score.

 

I wish someone close to him, would sit him down and give him a heavy dose of real talk.  He must be surrounded by a bunch of YES men and has to be very good at ignoring the criticisms. 

 

Don't DeRuyter and Moorhead have a voice?  Both of them were head coaches.  I can't imagine them not shaking their heads and cringing, every time, MC mismanages the clock.

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On 11/21/2021 at 2:07 PM, kirklandduck said:

Oregon's fanbase, like many other passionate fanbases, can often be very fickle...swinging from one way to another at a moment's notice.  

 

Should we question some of MC's choices?  Sure.

Is the on-field play inconsistent this season?  No doubt.

 

Should we completely dismiss and dump MC?  Absolutely not.

 

We all had suspicions on where Oregon's strengths and weaknesses lay before the season started.  A good number of us have accurately surmised that this season's team had a ceiling of perhaps the Rose Bowl (myself being one of them).  Of course peoples' hopes and expectations rose with the win over tOSU but that didn't change the makeup of the roster or coaches.  When you take a step back and look at the season from a 10,000 foot view this is what you should honestly see so far, a 9-2 record at this point despite:

  • - A mediocre QB
  • - A new DC and defensive scheme (one could also argue the offensive scheme is also somewhat new given the circumstances and lack of time last season)
  • - Season-ending injuries to a large number of critical players (as well as significant injuries times for other critical players)
  • - A very young roster

Oregon could still end the season with an 11-2 record, a Pac12 championship, and a trip to the Rose Bowl.  That's still pretty good in my book and still worthy of high end recruits wanting to be part of something that's on cusp of the CFP.

 

Should we dismiss losing on both LOS? THIS was a game for the Golden PO  ticket. This was a complete no show. vs a team that lost at BYU, SDS and and OR ST.

 

A trip to the Rose Bowl? A trip to a consolation prize. 

 

When will you be ready to acknowledge that Mario is not a big time coach? I saw the 2019 melt down at ASU. I watched last night as a team being built to dominate both LOS lost on both sides of the ball.

 

The guy is golden at winning games, barely, in Autzen, But this is  a HC who will never take OR to the Final 4. A coach with a roster advantage who cannot win at Stanford or against a 3L Utah team on the road.

 

Please stop with the Mario props and the excuses.  Props for being a good man? Yes, For being a great recruiter? Yes. A guy who can have his team ready to pay? NO.

 

Dan Mullen is available, Dave Aranda and Matt Campbell are available. Hell, Justin Wilcox is available. Gary Patterson is available.

 

In 7O+ games as a HC Mario is close to .500. 

 

I'm tired of people thinking that an exhibition Rose Bowl game is a big deal. Do you want to challenge against the best, on occasion win at Ohio State and go 9-3? Losing to schools roster-wise inferior to Ducks Scrapping by inferior teams the Ducks should blow out?

 

I for one am no longer willing to trade excuses for wins. If Mario makes the Rose Bowl it will be a battle of a Pac-12and a B1G team not good enough to win their conference,

 

Ask yourself, where would Oregon finish in the B1G E or W or in the SEC E or W?

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On 11/21/2021 at 3:25 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

I really don't think that many here are thinking that, but I do think most wish he could/would solve his issues.

I agree Charles that most are not thinking that.  But there are a vocal few that seem to be saying precisely that they want him gone.

 

With that kind of attitude/thinking, Rich Brooks not Mile Bellotti would never have gotten Oregon to a Rose Bowl.

 

It is too easy to forget that this is a game.  Played by kids. On any given day, Murphy’s law can and will rear its ugly head.  Often times, the best team does not win.  IMHO, it just seems way too early to be calling for MC’s head.

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On 11/21/2021 at 6:38 PM, Jon Joseph said:

Dan Mullen is available, Dave Aranda and Matt Campbell are available. Hell, Justin Wilcox is available. Gary Patterson is available.

 

Okay, Mullen's last shouldn't define him, but his big deal this season was a comeback win over Samford, Aranda, Campbell, these two, I could wlcome, and Patterson, get over the TCU comeback? But Justin has nowhere near the record as a HC that Mario has.

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I agree Jon.

The Ducks money wise are no longer in the same league as most PAC Schools. We are supposedly built for the National stage not just regional dominance.

We are not even the best regionally at least right now and yet we have NFL or greater facilities and one of the wealthiest donors in all of sports behind the program. 

 

Its time to examine where we really want to be and go for it properly --I still  cant get over how well Herbert is doing in the NFL and how he was used here. MC had greatness right under his nose and didnt even realize it. ---Thats not the type of coach we need.

 

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