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MC never will have higher ranking for the Ducks, Our only Hope is their another UNLV out there you will rescue us. The transfer portal will be many leaving the team. Who would want to be a receiver with the ducks?  Hire Mike Leach

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I'll pass on the Pirate, thank you.

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Big time pass on the Pirate for me too. He didn't exactly rule the Pac when he was here. Now, if Jonathan would all of a sudden think he would look better in green and yellow than Halloween colors, that would be great. 

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This is where my head just spins. Last week fans are almost worried we won't be able to compete with MSU's crazy salary for their messiah. This week Cristobal is the problem, again.

 

Cristobal and all his weaknesses is our coach, end of story. He is progressing, worthy of criticism, but we don't need to go directly to 'get somebody else,' not going to happen.

 

I get the angst, but this is a longterm project, and we have front row seats. If we need to step away, let's do that, but I, for one, don't want to see more discussion on replacing Cristobal. 

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On 11/21/2021 at 9:45 AM, Haywarduck said:

This is where my head just spins. Last week fans are almost worried we won't be able to compete with MSU's crazy salary for their messiah. This week Cristobal is the problem, again.

 

We have to blame someone for it!

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The long, long honeymoon is finally over. The coach snores.

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Here's what I read in USA Today.........seems pretty right on:

 

"Oregon: Any fan of the Ducks that didn’t see this coming had been living in a deep state of denial over the past month. Week after week, it seemed like they were playing with fire against lesser opponents. Heck, they weren’t even favored to beat Utah despite being ranked No. 3 by the College Football Playoff committee. Still, when you get knocked out of the College Football Playoff race with as much force as the Utes delivered in a 38-7 wipeout, it leaves a deep bruise on the season, on the coach and on the program.

 

Oregon’s win over Ohio State in Week 2 — the game that seemed to announce the Ducks as true contenders this season — feels like an awful long time ago. Instead, this season has settled into the same pattern that the Ducks have had pretty much every season under Mario Cristobal. They’ll win games, they’ll contend for the Pac-12 title and they’ll con the media into overhyping them as a Playoff team. But at some point in the season, they’ll shoot themselves in the foot and lose a game they’re not supposed to lose, putting all that good work at risk. Still, they’ll have a shot at the Playoff until they get completely exposed by a pretty good team and we don’t have to think about them anymore. "

 

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On 11/21/2021 at 9:45 AM, Haywarduck said:

This is where my head just spins. Last week fans are almost worried we won't be able to compete with MSU's crazy salary for their messiah. This week Cristobal is the problem, again.

 

Cristobal and all his weaknesses is our coach, end of story. He is progressing, worthy of criticism, but we don't need to go directly to 'get somebody else,' not going to happen.

 

I get the angst, but this is a longterm project, and we have front row seats. If we need to step away, let's do that, but I, for one, don't want to see more discussion on replacing Cristobal. 

 

Progressing? What difference did you see in last night's No Show vs the 2019 No Show at ASU? In 2019 and last night, I saw 2 Ducks teams totally unprepared to compete and defeat inferior foes.

 

What have you seen in 2021 that convinces you that under Mario the team will not play down to the level of the competition?

 

Mario is not the CEO to have in charge of a long term project. Mario is the same head coach he was at FIU. He will win a conference title in a bad conference but that is the man's ceiling.

 

The faith I had in Mario as a Playoff coach diminished with an L to a Stanford team that OR's 2nd team should beat. Last night, the light went out.

 

He is a terrific recruiter who cannot translate the roster talent to the field. He is a totally risk-adverse coach who is happy to plod to 1 score wins versus lesser opponents. 

 

He was a perfect fit as the OL coach and nation's best recruiter as an assistant coach at Bama. He is in over his head as a head coach.

 

Under a very good person, Mario, the results on the field will be SSDD.

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On 11/21/2021 at 12:17 PM, Charles Fischer said:

I'll pass on the Pirate, thank you.

 

Agreed. But I'd take Kiffin in a heart beat. But why would he come?

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Cam missed 2 FG's last night. Going into that game he was 10-10. Something was amiss in more ways than can be seen as to why the Ducks

 

stunk. Cam missing had nothing to do with coaching. AB stunk like he does every once in a while. O line got face punched on the 1st play

 

and never recovered. D was always playing catchup. The whole Duck effort stunk from the top to the bottom. Yeah the players that play hard

 

still played hard like Sewel and Thibs but they seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time half of the game. Fact is the Ducks got

 

out coached and out muscled by UT. 

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I think MC would make a fine O line coach.

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On 11/21/2021 at 10:08 AM, Duckdude said:

Here's what I read in USA Today.........seems pretty right on:

 

"Oregon: Any fan of the Ducks that didn’t see this coming had been living in a deep state of denial over the past month. Week after week, it seemed like they were playing with fire against lesser opponents. Heck, they weren’t even favored to beat Utah despite being ranked No. 3 by the College Football Playoff committee. Still, when you get knocked out of the College Football Playoff race with as much force as the Utes delivered in a 38-7 wipeout, it leaves a deep bruise on the season, on the coach and on the program.

 

Oregon’s win over Ohio State in Week 2 — the game that seemed to announce the Ducks as true contenders this season — feels like an awful long time ago. Instead, this season has settled into the same pattern that the Ducks have had pretty much every season under Mario Cristobal. They’ll win games, they’ll contend for the Pac-12 title and they’ll con the media into overhyping them as a Playoff team. But at some point in the season, they’ll shoot themselves in the foot and lose a game they’re not supposed to lose, putting all that good work at risk. Still, they’ll have a shot at the Playoff until they get completely exposed by a pretty good team and we don’t have to think about them anymore. "

 

 

I think most of us loyal Duck fans knew something like last night’s debacle was bound to happen. Oregon continued to skate by each week, struggling to beat mediocre teams, and in no way resembled a team that deserved to be in the playoff mix. They were living off the win against Ohio State, which as the season progressed looked more and more like the fluke that it turned out to be.

 

From all appearances Anthony Brown appears to be a classy guy. But as a quarterback he is really a liability. When the Ducks fell behind early last night I anticipated trouble. When it was 21-0 it looked bleak, and when Utah closed the half with the punt return it was clearly over. No chance to come back unless you can throw the ball….and the Ducks can’t do that. And they couldn’t run the ball, either. 
 

There are questions about Cristobal’s coaching, too. Sure, he’s a great recruiter, but what is he doing with all that talent? Is he developing it? It seems like he’s turning 4-star players into 3-stars, many of whom rarely see meaningful playing time. When players are disgruntled, it spreads and effects morale.
 

Ty Thompson is a 5-star recruit and he has barely played. How does that prepare him to take over if Brown gets injured? And how can he be ready to open next season at Georgia with virtually no playing experience? That is on Cristobal.

 

We’ll find out what this team is “made of” Saturday against Oregon State. Win that one and the Ducks will get a chance for redemption against Utah.

 

The Rose Bowl is still a possibility…..

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The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the pressure that must be felt and managed by a team that is ranked highly. The pressure to manage injuries, attitudes, and emotions in order to get a team's best effort week in and week out is truly unimaginable to most of us. And with each win, the pressure increases.

 

On top of that, you are doing your job with millions of people watching and second guessing your every move; and nothing you do is good enough for everybody. It's a rare breed that is cut out for coaching, and I marvel at the abilities of the truly great head coaches. Winning is hard. Winning at least 10 games is almost impossible.

 

Is MC overvalued? He has his strengths and his flaws, like all of us. Take away the lost CFP opportunity, and 9 - 2 is a season most coaches and fans would find very satisfying, and it triggered the U of O to sweeten his contract. How many other coaches have coached their teams to conference championships? Beating Ohio State is something no other team in the nation may do this year, and it certainly wasn't a fluke.

 

The problem with doing away with MC is who do you get to replace him at a time with so many juicy options? Successful coaches are coaches that fit into the dynamics of the culture of a university and its community. Chris Peterson fit Boise State, Jonathan Smith fits Oregon State, and Chip Kelly fit Oregon. Willy Taggart didn't fit here. I think MC, however, does fit here. I could see him leaving for bigger and better things, but let's be real folks, Oregon would be crazy to cut him loose.

 

The test of how good, and how valuable MC is heading our way like an orange and black Tsunami. MC is charged with the task of picking his team up from a loss where his teams' flaws were exposed on every level, and preparing them to execute a game plan to beat an Oregon State team coming in with a tremendous amount of momentum. Beating Oregon State is the time honored true test of a coaches worth in this state.

 

It's time for The War. Game on baby !!!

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Time will tell that MC is NOT a Power 5 head coach. 

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We were not the #3 team in the country this year. We are a young team that has been hit with injuries, and have a QB that struggles.
 

For Oregon to have a shot at the National Championship it will be with a QB in the Heisman trophy chase, a couple great RB’s, and a highly ranked defense. We will also need a favorable schedule and avoid injuries to key players.

 

Everyone wants to win the title, but realistically you need recruiting classes in the top 10 on a regular basis to consistently compete at that level. 
 

If you think a “better coach” is the answer, they will also need to recruit better than Cristobal. 

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^ If you think a “better coach” is the answer, they will also need to recruit better than Cristobal. 

I dont think Cristobal has recruited the right players for his system

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Just going out for 4 and 5 star players is NOT the answer. You need the right ones.

See USC.

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I don't think he's over valued. $4.6M a year doesn't even get him near the top 10 highest paid FBS coaches. 26th according to a list on Fan

 

Nation. You get what you pay for. Ducks lose to the Beavs, go to a lesser bowl and struggle and wind up ranked around 16th or lower seems

 

about right for a 26th pay ranked coach. 

 

Overvalued is David Shaw.

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Oregon's fanbase, like many other passionate fanbases, can often be very fickle...swinging from one way to another at a moment's notice.  

 

Should we question some of MC's choices?  Sure.

Is the on-field play inconsistent this season?  No doubt.

 

Should we completely dismiss and dump MC?  Absolutely not.

 

We all had suspicions on where Oregon's strengths and weaknesses lay before the season started.  A good number of us have accurately surmised that this season's team had a ceiling of perhaps the Rose Bowl (myself being one of them).  Of course peoples' hopes and expectations rose with the win over tOSU but that didn't change the makeup of the roster or coaches.  When you take a step back and look at the season from a 10,000 foot view this is what you should honestly see so far, a 9-2 record at this point despite:

  • - A mediocre QB
  • - A new DC and defensive scheme (one could also argue the offensive scheme is also somewhat new given the circumstances and lack of time last season)
  • - Season-ending injuries to a large number of critical players (as well as significant injuries times for other critical players)
  • - A very young roster

Oregon could still end the season with an 11-2 record, a Pac12 championship, and a trip to the Rose Bowl.  That's still pretty good in my book and still worthy of high end recruits wanting to be part of something that's on cusp of the CFP.

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. With how great recruiting is, you can’t dump MC. Like Ogeron with LSU, eventually the talent, experience, and coordinators will align.

 

What’s baffling is that the OC/DC are really good on paper, but something about this team doesn’t translate to killer instinct and consistency.

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On 11/21/2021 at 1:28 PM, GODUCKS15 said:

Overvalued is David Shaw.

 

Very true, in all his years, I don't think he ever won the Conference Championship 2 years in a row. Stanford actually can make the claim that it's hard to recruit there, so that can't be held against him. But his pay check really exceeds his production. Harbaugh had a nice run at Stanford until he left for the 49ers, and Shaw kept it going for a while, but the last 3 years he's gone 11-19.

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On 11/21/2021 at 3:36 PM, 1Ducker1 said:

Time will tell that MC is NOT a Power 5 head coach. 

 

It's been 4 years. When does 'time' run out?

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On 11/21/2021 at 2:25 PM, cartm25 said:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. With how great recruiting is, you can’t dump MC. Like Ogeron with LSU, eventually the talent, experience, and coordinators will align.

 

What’s baffling is that the OC/DC are really good on paper, but something about this team doesn’t translate to killer instinct and consistency.

Some of that inconsistency might come from starting different players every game. I seem to have read recently that the O line has had like

 

8? different combinations. Probably more by now. How many young players are playing instead of 2-3 year starters? 

 

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About the only thing I can think of that would kill my enthusiasm for Duck football would be firing a head coach for going 9-3.  That would simply disgust me.

 

What coach in their right mind would even want to work for a program that would do that.

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On 11/21/2021 at 3:12 PM, PittDuck said:

firing a head coach for going 9-3

 

I really don't think that many here are thinking that, but I do think most wish he could/would solve his issues.

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