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All those references are first rounders to the League. Hmmm... a ringer for a 1st rounder is signing with the Ducks? Sorry about the separate posts. I've been casually thinking about this and can't edit my previous posts.

Wait a second!! All those references are DE's. Are we getting Nwarni or Stone??!!!!

Williams baby!!

There is always the exception to the rule. However, 4/5*, on a consistent basis, will smoke 3*'s all day long. Give me a roster of 4's and 5's and I'm playing in the playoffs every year. 3*'s with a sprinkling of 4/5's can flirt with playoffs every 10 years. Thats what we have done.

It truly depends on how you look at it. I am NOT a fan of 'Points'. You can recruit 29 kids and get a mountain of points but they are all 3* and lower. However, if you look at the 'Average' score of each recruit then its a more reasonable barometer to the value of the player. Alabama and the like are sitting at 93.+% points with less number of recruits. Which brings me to this years recruiting class. Oregon is slated at #9 by traditional standards. However, Oregon drops to a respectable #14 in ranking by average rating of player. But, wait!! Aren't we going the wrong way? Well..... kinda. If you look closely at the average score its 90.54. To give you perspective, Oregon would be tied for 4th with U$C with only 1.28 increase in percentage points. A full 10 spot jump!!!! Oregon and U$C do not have a 5* as of yet. And both schools have a handful of kids to get to fill their remaining slots. This exercise is simply a reminder that 5-15 is tighter than a snare drum at the moment. Also, that total points aren't the begin all end all. Being top 5 in average player is. Period.

Its not hard at all Justin. You roll immediately into the rotation and have seriously meaningful snaps. You get linked to Nike.... Whats not to like about that??!!

I worry about negative 'talk' about as much as I think about UW's comings and goings. I give it a casual glance and chuckle at their demise. But, I don't give any meaningful time to pointless endeavors. To think any College team should fire coaches because they Whif on a few Big time recruits is preposterous. Oregon is vying for a top 10 recruiting class and is most likely going to flirt with a rank somewhere between 5-7. You don't whif on recruiting when you bring in a top tier class. Then notice the Portal Boys as well. 5* or all conference kids are ones that have proven themselves. A recent Oregon 5* kid didn't pan out for whatever reason. I'm just going to chuckle at the lunacy and plan my PSU day coming up in about 8 weeks. Booyah!!!!!!!!!

Or, the discount payout overwhelms the buyout and its all a moot point. Maybe not first year, but most likely by the 2nd

You're not going to like this take. But, seriously, why does College have Olympic sports anyway? I understand the desire to continue a nostalgic form of sport, but what purpose does it provide? Do they make money? No. Then why promote it and then complain about the cost when it never made money in the first place. I would be more inclined to have Olympic sport programs that are region centric. Even then its wasted money. I'm only talking of the business side of it since this is one of the angles of attack against realignment. But, since this issue keeps coming up, why not offer scholarships purely on academic prowess? Yes, I know Oregon already does. Take every sport that is in the Red, add up the total cost to run these programs, cut it in half and then offer full schollies to 4.0 kids. Eliminate Red programs. The tunnel vision that exist in Olympic programs is bewildering. Under the current model, all these Red programs should not be running. Its only out of the kindness of someone's heart, and pocketbook, that they run at all. Shake it up and stop running in the Red. For example, Oregon has Hayward Field and that alone tends to bring a ton of money. So, what happens if the top PAC players, after the NCAA championships, heads to China and has a 'University Meet' in one of their stadiums? The alternate year China comes here. A 4 day event but wrapped around 9 days. Do you think the Chinese would fill their 100,000 seat stadiums? I believe it would propel the PAC into the black. In this day and age of NIL money, Educational programs have a responsibility to figure out how to become net zero on their balance sheet. If these kids can now make money then the programs need to get more creative. It really isn't all that hard. They just need to think outside the box a bit.

I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. As this world turns, it seems to me that Oregon will not leave the PAC. There comes a sweet spot where getting to the playoffs pays off. While Oregon may not reach the overall level of pay that comes from the B1G, it can finish each season enormously in the black. They are already in the black with no real pay outs. Why would Oregon leave now? More money? If Oregon makes $34 million per year, with a play off pay out, it could be well north of $40 million. If they went to the B1G then the overall added cost taken off the $60 million just might leave Oregon within single digit millions of B1G money. Then one has to ask if this is all worth it? I believe the landscape is going to be 4 conferences in the end.

IMO, Oregon needs 2-5* kids and the rest be 4*and they will be top 7/8. But, wait!!! There's More! (Wishful thinking) If Oregon lands three 5* recruits and the remains recruits are 4* then they are a powerful top 3 contender. Get 4 of those top kids and the remains be 4* and its a solid top 3. But, just any high caliber kid isn't a needle mover in my view. If you can't blow up the line, the top CB's can't hang for 4-5 seconds play in and play out. Top of the 'Line' (hehe see what I did there?) recruits from inside out will cover 3 star Corner Backs trailing skills all day long. 3* lineman will struggle more and it will show in a team defense and getting the opponent off the field. Lanning is bringing the Cattle Car for the linemen. I believe we end up ranked around 4/5 in recruiting with a jaw dropping list of linemen suiting up. The PAC should be very concerned.....period.

It would seem a bit self serving to associate that with his own college experience. Somehow, that doesn't ring the same with me. I believe its just a coincidence if that was his jersey number. The number '4' is cryptic. Let the postulation begin. I believe 4 recruits have verballed and the Coach is letting these kids announce on their timeline. 1) Baker 2) Rushing 3) Frazier 4)???-McRoy?

You ever wonder why Stanford, with notorious low star recruits, always seems to show up and play strong? I'm not talking pre 2005. I mean over the last 20 years or so Stanford has taken average kids and made behemoth teams. Of course its many reasons, but by and large these kids are driven. Before you come out and say that all kids are driven if they are recruited at a high level, Stanford kids are driven in a different way. What kind of kid does it take to be a D1 athlete? Genetics is the start but commitment is the key. Now add to it academics. This begs the question, what kind of kid has the genetics to be a D1 athlete AND is qualified to enroll at an Ivy league school? Its determination, pure and simple. That kid isn't hanging out with his friends more than he is seeing the 'Big Picture' and hitting the books. He's been doing it his entire HS career. Translate that to a Freshman at Stanford. Its just the laws of averages. To be Ivy League smart AND be a top 300 player in HS is RARE. So, these kids need time to physically mature to catch up to the phenoms that are man childs out of HS. Make no mistake, when/if a Stanford player finally makes an impact on the field, he's going to bring his PHD's with him. To be sure, this kind of recruiting model isn't sustainable and it goes through lulls. Coaching is at a premium. But, by and large, Stanford, with an excellent coach, should be upper crest in the PAC. Zach Ertz Richard Sherman Toby Gerhart-my nemesis but loved him as a player Andrew Luck And on and on. And Basketball? Forgettaboutit!!!! Dominate The players that Stanford recruits are driven at a different level than nearly every other Progr'm. They simply can't get the genentics to match up as freshman recruits. I foresee a return to respectable real soon with the new coaching team.

Probably depends on where you recruit. The deep South is highly religious. The PNW is religious as well, they just 'believe' in themselves and not in Good Gosh so much. Isn't it interesting that the largest recruiting base overlaps with the most religious? Not saying they are mutual, just saying its an interesting anomoly

Just a thread for discussion. Oregon has 6 'potential' verbal recruits, in the top 26 regardless of position, that are 'Warm' to Oregon. Have you noticed how often all these kids have visited? 1) Baker-OT 2) Rushing-DL 3) Stone-DL 4) Williams-LB 5) Wingo-WR 6) Nwaneri-DL I don't know the exact number, but many have visited more than once. So, is it reasonable Oregon gets 2,3,4? Dare we shoot for the moon and see all 6? Yeah, me neither. I believe we get 2 and more likely 3 of the kids. Baker, Rushing, and Williams sure seem to find my newsfeed for Oregon as their destination. Landing those 3 would be a vaulting move into the recruiting rankings. More important, it will create a mountain of depth, most notably, along the line.

Now, imagine him in 2 years. 6'4" and 230lbs. Now THATS a linebacker!! Can he be the 3 star recruit that develops into manhood and becomes the 5* draft pick?

@Jon Joseph I agree about having to play D. But, I'm looking over the transfer Portal Roster for U$C. I believe they are about 1 season away from scaring the skirts off some B1G teams with an improved Defensive roster. Also, CW may leave after next year, or he may receive a 'Stay to Play, Pay' offer from the U$C alums. If he stays, that team is only going to rise in quality players. By a lot IMO.

I fully understand that Elite Players, 4* and up is indicative of a high quality team. I'm also clearly aware that it takes an avalanche of Elite Players to play in the playoffs and make 'That Run'. However, I'm left wondering, yes Pate said Oregon State, if Oregon State isn't deserving of that entry card if the have a 11-1 season over an SEC team with a 9-3 season? Glad Pate brought this up. Florida had 45 'Elite' recruits sign with them over the last 4 years. Oregon State?????? 0-!!! Yep, thats right....$0-!!!! December 17th of 2022 was a beautiful glimpse into your 'Perceived' roster still has to show up. Your 'Players' may be 'Elite' but your team is trash. 30-3....Scoreboard!! That score truly did not even share the true story. That game was a bottom beating. Top to Bottom....beating! 45 elite players to ZERO elite players. So, tell me, does the SEC need to be coddled for a gauntlet of games? I have a different take on that. Your conference record is your play in season. Think of it as a field of 32. The best in the conference play each other to 'Prove' their worthiness of a playoff bid. The B1G proves it with their conference playoff, So does the PAC. It's pure garbage that you need 12 teams toms in a playoff. Really? That would mean there is a path to 3 teams from 1 conference playing in the playoffs? Whats the Conference Championship game for then? The NFL, doesn't have a conference championship game to enter the playoffs. The Con Terence Championahip Game IS a PART of the Playoffs!!! Win Your Division and that's your ticket into the playoffs. Sure, you have wildcards, but, win your division and you're in. It's sickening that opinions bring teams to the playoffs and not 'ScoreBoards'. What's the point in playing the games if a group of people say those games don't matter? Why do you play...at all? SCOREBOARD......30-3

I have a much different take on this than most here. I believe USC is going to crush every team in its path Sans maybe Michigan. But, I wouldn't be shocked with U$C winning the Michigan game neither. Look at U$C's offense. Only tOSU has that kind of offense. U$C has the caliber of player to roar to a 20 point lead by half time and completely wear out the opposing defense. Is any B1G team built for speed? They are about to get a fresh dose of it. If Michigan's run game has a slight dose of the yips, Caleb "Call me Heisman' wil, shred them into oblivion.

I made mention that the game would bring at least $10 million in media dollars. It would be quite interesting to see the actual pay out. Would you have 25 million viewers worldwide? 50? The cash payout looks like it might be considerably higher

Streaming is such a misty fog. I'm confident that Oregons viewership is going to sky rocket. How much? I truly have no idea. But, streaming will grab all those that have an internet connection. Thats about everyone but a few obscure Husky fans. I've chirped about this before and I won't let up, not even for a second. Oregon NEEDS to play a game in the Asian theater. Period. 1 game each year. In fact, I would be happy with the conference playing 2 games a year in Asia. Take the Whole Weekend and rent a stadium. The PAC could put Oregon and some hapless team out there. Hawaii? Then put another team like the Huskies. Never bring a double header from the same state. Too confusing. You would garner all of the Islanders attention and then over half the planets population in all of Asia. Rent the grandest stadiums. Like the Chinese Lotus Stadium that seats 100,000. Make it a week long event. Pomp and Circumstance with a Saturday then Sunday game to finish it off. $100 a ticket is $10 million per game in tickets alone. Make them the Season Opener for all of College Football. I'm confident that these games would pull in $10 million minimum for viewing. ESPN would cover it all week. The stories would be incredible. Great Wall of China...etc.etc. Come on PAC...make the move and add monstrous value to the Conference of Champions.

I've been thinking of the Bloviating across all these message boards. From Sports Writers to the average message board poster, like me. Everyone has an opinion to the value of the PAC. But, feeling the mood drift lower for the value of said PAC and I'm starting to wonder what value is media assigning to PAC content? If the PAC can't get what the Big12 gets in $31+ million per school, Is Oregon really only worth about $2.5-$3 million per football game? Is U$C really worth upwards of $5million per game? Oregon is worth 1/2 of U$C? Absurd! U$C can't get volunteers to come and keep the seats occupied for free, any given Saturday, in the Fall. That lead me down the path of finding how many viewers and how that would equate to dollars. I stumbled upon an article by 'Zach Miller' dated 12/01/21, it states that, coming in ranked at #10, University of Oregon has 2.57 million viewers watching their football games. UCLA was next up at #29 at 1.18 million viewers and USC at #32 at 1.11 million viewers. OREGON LAPS BOTH USC AND UCLA COMBINED!! So, who wants to watch College Football? Who will turn on their Linear/Streaming service for a nice afternoon BBQ at your buddy's house with a cold one in hand and cheering on their favorite team? Maybe a better question is, will the MidWest really care enough to watch UCLA and USC? I'm sure it will garner attention and definitely increase overall viewership for both schools. Will it increase by double what it was just 18 months ago? Will they catch Oregon....combined? UCLA and USC will be awarded approximately $60 million per year in the near future. Oregon is worth more combined. Don't be silly, Oregon isn't worth $120 million per year. The BiG chose poorly. The LA market doesn't watch their sports enough to be paid. Schools should be paid on viewership period. For reference, Oregon/Ohio St had 7.73 million viewers which ranked #8 in most watched for the year. #28 Oregon @ Utah for 4.82 million viewers #30 Washington @ Michigan 4.75 million viewers #35 Texas A&M @ Colorado 4.5 million viewers That's 4 games above 4 million viewers and UCLA nor USC are anywhere to be found. In fact, UCLA fans can't even find the Rose Bowl. This makes me all the more appreciative that 'Uncle Phil' has been behind 'THE University of Oregon' athletics and supporting them when there is disparity that leaves you shaking your head. Grateful when I attend a game that Autzen is Full. Grateful that I get to sing 'Coming Home' and 'Shout'. Where will Oregon be in 3-4 years? Truly, does it even matter? We will be in a Power conference. Oregon will most likely never be paid according to viewership. Sad, but true. We

I'm probably blind and clueless. I don't see CU leaving. Colorado is about to get an incredible CASH infusion with in game attendance. Donations to the Colorado Athletic Fund thru individual tix should see an instant impact. Every seat will be a paying seat and not a give away. Now you got to believe that all the Buffalo Chip faithful have to have a Bowl Game in their Starry eyed futures come December? I know they have history in the Big12, but Nebraska isn't there anymore. Oklahoma and Texas are gone. The heavy hitters have left the B12. Whats the draw for the B12? Is it really only money? OK, whats the difference in pay outs? One would think that Coach Prime is building a powerful team in Colorado. A team that has iys eyes set for a playoff. Which way is easier? Which conference is more aligned with its students needs and paying fans desires? You know, the ones who drive/fly to the games? I've got this sickening feeling that the middling teams in the PAC just might regret a hasty decision founded on the difference in paychecks of a couple million dollars.

What??!!! You want your cake AND eat it too??!! Hey U$uCk? You thumbed your nose to all that is tradition over an increased payday. You didn't stick around to work out a better deal with the PAC and now you are eating crow. Grabbing every last cent is not always worth it, right U$uCk? Just SMH.....

I obviously have been waffling over conference realignment. I'm now starting to wonder why Oregon and Wahington would consider moving to the B1G? If Oregon wins the PAC and the first game in the playoffs, the payout is astronomical. Whats the chances of Oregon winning the B1G? An at large in the B1G? Looks to me that the odds are about equal to leaning this side with the PAC if its only about cash. Sure, guaranteed money is better but the potential payout seems like an easier road to achieve. They also keeps all the kids on the West Coast for the season. This or that....its all still up in the air