30Duck No. 1 Share Posted September 3 Except for a few teams, I could see the point. But since it is USC; go 'Fight On' somewhere else. USC Deserves No. 3 Ranking; Oregon Falls Out of Top 25 After Week 1 - BVM Sports BVMSPORTS.COM The current college football rankings are flawed, particularly regarding USC and Oregon. The analysis argues that USC... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJacksPlaidPants Moderator No. 2 Share Posted September 4 If USC is top 5 then they have 11 games left on their schedule to prove it. 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeotechDuck No. 3 Share Posted September 4 IMO, this article is spot on. Strength of Schedule is used as a measure to compare teams, when the rankings that are used are purely subjective. College football needs something similar to the NET ranking used for college basketball, especially with these mega-conferences. Right now, there is little to no consideration for unbalanced schedules, number of conference games, cupcakes, etc. The days of evaluating teams based on preseason ranking and win % only should have been over a long time ago. Barely getting past some FCS school should put a major dent in your resume. Oregon has what amounts to a Q4 win and USC has what would be considered Q1 win. Right now, USC should be well ahead of Oregon in the rankings. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 4 Share Posted September 4 2 1 Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckley Palace No. 5 Share Posted September 4 Who cares what the rankings are this early anyhow? The B1G and SEC are going to get the top two seeds and likely three teams in the playoffs. So win the conference and you finish top four with a bye. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 6 Share Posted September 4 (edited) LSU could go 4-8. Week 1 means almost nothing…or maybe they’ll both win out and have a rematch. Edited September 4 by JabbaNoBargain 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 7 Share Posted September 4 On 9/3/2024 at 8:36 PM, JabbaNoBargain said: LSU could go 4-8. Week 1 means almost nothing…or maybe they’ll both win out and have a rematch. LSU gets Bama, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma at home and does not play Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee. LSU is still a viable contender for the SEC title. But on the penalty front, it must get out of its own way. That was a B1G win for SC and the conference. I'm hoping Michigan can give Texas a 4 quarter-game and that Wisconsin is not embarrassed by Bama. B1G vs SEC games will resonate into December. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrw Moderator No. 8 Share Posted September 4 I hope so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred flintstone No. 9 Share Posted September 4 Oregon is ranked about right and most folks know it......its entire season revolves around the Ohio State and Michigan games, assuming they beat everybody else. Win those two games and the ranking will be top 3. Lose both and top 20. Win one and lose the other......top 10. Everything else is noise. As far as USC......LSU did what Kelly always does....lose the opener. He is an OK coach but not elite. The game plan was bad. They did not throw it long against a questionable USC backfield. Just about every pass was short to intermediate and to the sidelines with little chance for yards after the catch. In their hope to control the ball they crushed any big play opportunities. His QB has demonstrated he has an above average arm and they have good receivers, with two NFL tackles. More worried about interceptions than winning the game. So considering this win......USC belongs in the top 20 not the top 10. I suspect they may end up with a good season....but they don't play Oregon, Ohio St or Iowa.....and Penn St is at home. The only other tests are Notre Dame at home and a Michigan team that has a QB problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author No. 10 Share Posted September 4 On 9/3/2024 at 5:14 PM, GeotechDuck said: Barely getting past some FCS school should put a major dent in your resume. Oregon has what amounts to a Q4 win and USC has what would be considered Q1 win. Right now, USC should be well ahead of Oregon in the rankings. That would be the case if the Poll was computer based. But, since it's voted on by people, this is what you get. Precedent said what happened to Oregon was proper. If a top 5 team gets a W, even an ugly one, they might drop some, they don't plummet, conversely, No.23 doesn't jump up 20 spots by beating No. 13 on a neutral field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marsh No. 11 Share Posted September 4 Oregon played down to Idaho... Personally I wouldn't rank them in the top 10. The mystery with USC at this point, who do have a better win than Oregon hands down, is we don't know how good that win is. Is LSU going to play for the SEC championship or are they a middling team? Is USC also a middling team and we saw two evenly matched but middling team duel it out? Is USC legit? Is anyone legit? Rankings this early don't mean anything. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDuck No. 12 Share Posted September 4 If as a couple Toejam writers want to contend the rankings should be based on the most recent outing, then after this week the win over LSU should be forgotten. And, next week's ranking should be based on results vs Utah State and Boise State. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
30Duck Author No. 13 Share Posted September 4 The Ducks jumped to No. 3 after beating Ohio State in 2021, and it never really felt right. This time they start at No.3 and play like all their shoes are a couple sizes too big. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryM9 No. 14 Share Posted September 4 I do think USC is getting screwed, isn't it great! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Duck No. 15 Share Posted September 4 So suddenly, USC fans want to whine about the ranking system. Cry me a river. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike West No. 16 Share Posted September 4 (edited) On 9/3/2024 at 5:36 PM, JabbaNoBargain said: LSU could go 4-8. Week 1 means almost nothing…or maybe they’ll both win out and have a rematch. LSU going 4-8 is tremendously better than Idaho going 11-1. We're talking about an SEC team. That would bury Idaho is fifteen seconds. I can't say what I really want to say, so I'll say this instead - comparing a team ranked below 126 to a top 20 team before Sunday is like saying a Praying Mantis is more dangerous than a Grizzly Bear. Not to mention, I don't see ANYBODY challenging USC to a matchup next week. I'll say this until people can't stand me anymore: USuc and the Fuskies playing well is damn good for us. We're supposedly better than both, right? The better their respective records are, the better it is for OBD. Rise to the challenge and quit begging for their demise. Champions don't want wimpy competition. They want to prove they're the best. Edited September 4 by Mike West 2 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 17 Share Posted September 4 What's new except for the Trojans having a defense and defeating a ranked opponent? The AP voters NEVER have and NEVER will start with a clean slate week to week. USC moving up 10 spots is a huge move AP-wise. Oregon won the game. The Ducks did not come close to getting the cover but won. An algorithm-driven poll, FPI, dropped Oregon from 2nd to 10th. SC moved up to FPI 15th, 5 spots behind Oregon in the FPI, and at AP 13th, SC is 6 behind Oregon in the AP Poll. Not much difference between the human voters and the humans who programmed the FPI. SC is fixated on Oregon and why not with the way recruiting to date is going. It doesn't matter! The poll that matters is the Committee's final ranking on December 8, 2024, and even this poll will take a back seat to playoff seeding as one or more teams ranked in the top 12 will not be in the 2024-25 PO field. Someone in South Central needs to change Traveler's diaper. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 18 Share Posted September 4 The only other tests are Notre Dame at home and a Michigan team that has a QB problem. Post marked as "moderated" Do not sell Penn State short. The Nittany Lions are a big game for SC in LA on the same Saturday that Ohio State visits Eugene. Both USC and PSU could be undefeated coming into this game. Wisconsin, Nebraska, even Rutgers at home, and Maryland, and UW on the road are not gimmes. Penn State on the road against W VA looked better than Michigan at home vs Fresno State. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 19 Share Posted September 4 New SP+ Rankings ($ Wall) - USC 21 - LSU 20 How High is This Bouncing in Heritage Hall? B1G Top 25 - Ohio State 5, behind UGA, Bama, Texas, and Ole Miss (pass the grits, please); Penn State 6; OREGON 8; Michigan 12; Iowa 17; USC 21; UW 23. Notre Dame is 10th and A+M 24th. 11 SEC teams in the Top 25. 7 B1G including UW. UW? BOISE STATE - 46 - Top-ranked G5 team. The team Boise defeated Saturday, Georgia State, is 105. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywarduck Moderator No. 20 Share Posted September 4 If you think Oregon is alone is getting too full of itself and playing a poor game, wait until this sc team gets all fat and happy with their position in the polls. I can also see them continuing to hang their hat on the LSU win, even if the tiggers struggle. SC could have lost that game as easily as they won it. My bet they call it a tough road win too. I am glad our Ducks had a wake up call early and hope Lanning can keep the young men focused from here on out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabbaNoBargain No. 21 Share Posted September 4 (edited) On 9/4/2024 at 2:30 AM, Mike West said: LSU going 4-8 is tremendously better than Idaho going 11-1. We're talking about an SEC team. That would bury Idaho is fifteen seconds. I can't say what I really want to say, so I'll say this instead - comparing a team ranked below 126 to a top 20 team before Sunday is like saying a Praying Mantis is more dangerous than a Grizzly Bear. Not to mention, I don't see ANYBODY challenging USC to a matchup next week. I'll say this until people can't stand me anymore: USuc and the Fuskies playing well is damn good for us. We're supposedly better than both, right? The better their respective records are, the better it is for OBD. Rise to the challenge and quit begging for their demise. Champions don't want wimpy competition. They want to prove they're the best. Sure, but I really wasn’t trying to compare USC’s win to ours. I’m aware of the differences between the SEC and an FCS team I can’t say what I really want to say, so I’ll leave it at that. My point is LSU could possibly suck given they had no D last year and lost their award winning QB. Or maybe they retooled the D, found a QB and are awesome…it’s an unknown. Edited September 4 by JabbaNoBargain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike West No. 22 Share Posted September 4 On 9/4/2024 at 10:09 AM, JabbaNoBargain said: Sure, but I really wasn’t trying to compare USC’s win to ours. I’m aware of the differences between the SEC and an FCS team I can’t say what I really want to say, so I’ll leave it at that. My point is LSU could possibly suck given they had no D last year and lost their award winning QB. Or maybe they retooled the D, found a QB and are awesome…it’s an unknown. I understand what you were trying to say. And I am not saying what I want to say because people will take it as hyperbole. I have serious concerns about this team and our expectations of it. I'll leave it at that because I'm sure if you've read my posts lately, I've been pretty emphatic about my feelings. I've watched way too much football to ignore what I saw last Saturday and this Spring. And FishDuck, raised my concerns further without intending to this morning. So forgive me if I'm upset that fans are picking on USC fans. And Husky fans for that matter. If OBD don't start playing well, we are going to get trolled mercilessly. And we'll deserve it. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Fischer Administrator No. 23 Share Posted September 4 On 9/4/2024 at 1:54 PM, Mike West said: FishDuck, raised my concerns further without intending to this morning. Oh, it was meant to be a Red-Flag for everyone to be aware of going forward. Mr. FishDuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar No. 24 Share Posted September 4 On 9/3/2024 at 6:09 PM, fred flintstone said: The game plan was bad. They did not throw it long against a questionable USC backfield. Just about every pass was short to intermediate and to the sidelines with little chance for yards after the catch. In their hope to control the ball they crushed any big play opportunities. More worried about interceptions than winning the game. Wait. Are you talking about LSU or Oregon? Woof. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike West No. 25 Share Posted September 4 On 9/4/2024 at 4:59 PM, Charles Fischer said: Oh, it was meant to be a Red-Flag for everyone to be aware of going forward. Oh I know that Charles. My first impulse was to argue your point. But the snapshots left no doubt. It's ok. I put money on BSU to cover the spread before the article. Its been pretty obvious how I've felt about the team - and the comments this week. I put my money where my mouth is. A three TD victory is going to require an astounding performance this week. I'll believe it when I see it. And I will be glad to lose that money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDuck No. 26 Share Posted September 5 My sense is that it will be a good win, but BSU will cover. Shore up some areas of concern, get the win and keep developing this team. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Joseph Moderator No. 27 Share Posted September 5 Mike, I went West to your stomping ground The Meadows, a/k/a Las Vegas, and bet on OBD to cover and go Over 61.5. Boise ran roughshod over GA SO, but Boise also surrendered 45 points to a team without the athletes Oregon will have on the field. I think the game is close into the 3rd Q and then like UCLA in the LA Bowl, with Latu sitting out, the P5 ( at the time) stood up against the G5. If you are right and my gaming buddies and I are wrong, it could be a long season. I recall how Lanning brought the team back from being wiped out in his first game in the ATL. I think he will do the same on Saturday although I probably will not be able to stay up long enough to see it happen. 10 PM kickoffs is an abuse of one's elders. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike West No. 28 Share Posted September 5 On 9/4/2024 at 5:53 PM, Jon Joseph said: Mike, I went West to your stomping ground The Meadows, a/k/a Las Vegas, and bet on OBD to cover and go Over 61.5. Boise ran roughshod over GA SO, but Boise also surrendered 45 points to a team without the athletes Oregon will have on the field. I think the game is close into the 3rd Q and then like UCLA in the LA Bowl, with Latu sitting out, the P5 ( at the time) stood up against the G5. If you are right and my gaming buddies and I are wrong, it could be a long season. I recall how Lanning brought the team back from being wiped out in his first game in the ATL. I think he will do the same on Saturday although I probably will not be able to stay up long enough to see it happen. 10 PM kickoffs is an abuse of one's elders. Jon, I'm hoping I look like a fool this week. Losing a small chunk of change doesn't really matter to me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckFan93 No. 29 Share Posted September 5 Beating No. 13 doesn't qualify you to be No. 3, neither should winning a game drop a team from No 3 to 26. This is just another spoiled child crying. Moving on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
