Washington vs. Rutgers: "Good-or-Good?"

[Charles Fischer]

We do not play Rutgers, and we do the Bastard-Huskies, thus Washington winning could help Oregon's ranking at the end of the season.

 

But Washington losing is never a bad thing either....

 

For Oregon Fans, it is Good-or-Good!

 

 

Who do you want to win and why?

 

[JabbaNoBargain]

In the grand scheme, not sure how much anyone will care that we beat an unranked UW. They will care about the general strength of the conference though, and I think Rutgers has a solid chance at 9-3.

 

Go Rutgers!

[Steven A]

Charles, Charles, Charles,

 

Never gonna root for ewe dub even if their win meant a cure for cancer PERIOD.

[HDuck]

Rutgers wins over Howard, Akron, Virginia Tech

 

Uw wins over Weber St, E. Michigan, Northwestern - loss to WSU on a bonehead play call

 

For this first B1G season, in order to lessen the chatter, perhaps every former Pac12 should win the farthest trip East?

 

Uw at Rutgers

UCLA at Rutgers

USC at Maryland

UO at Michigan

[DUCati855]

Go Scarlet Knights!

[30Duck]

It's morally and physically wrong to show any semblance of support for the Washington Huskies. I have no feelings whatsoever for Rutgers. But the sound of, "the safe play here is to take Washington +2.5"" cracks me up every time.

[Charles Fischer]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:43 PM, Steven A said:

Charles, Charles, Charles,

 

Never gonna root for ewe dub even if their win meant a cure for cancer PERIOD.

Damn.  The King-of-the-One-Liners comes through again!  Thanks for the hearty laugh...
 

[DuckFan93]

It's hard, but I say let's try to root for the dawgs until we face them.   That's the best for OBD.  Regardless we do need to get over that 3-loss hump resoundingly.  I'd rather we beat them directly than watching them suffer at others' hands.  It will make us feel much better if we cream the dawgs when they are highly ranked.

[kirklandduck]

Fuskies can pound sand for all I care, I hope they lose all their remaining games lol

[Gotcha]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:43 PM, Steven A said:

Charles, Charles, Charles,

 

Never gonna root for ewe dub even if their win meant a cure for cancer PERIOD.

I would have to root for them, if they could cure a terrible disease like cancer. However, we know the football team will only give you fleas, and no cures for cancer, so NO!

[Mike West]

Who cares about hating the Fuskies.  A UW win helps long term.  

 

I always look at the big picture.  And I'll say it until my cold dead hands can't type anymore:

 

Very good UW and USC teams-  and in fact elite status- is the best thing that can happen to OBD.  Because we're positioned to STILL BE BETTER.

 

I'm not ever going to fear teams like last year's UW or Pete Carroll's version of USC.  We are developing better teams than both.  It's all in the players now- they have the best tools EVER.  

[30Duck]

On 9/27/2024 at 7:01 PM, Mike West said:

I'm not ever going to fear teams like last year's UW or Pete Carroll's version of USC.  We are developing better teams than both.  It's all in the players now- they have the best tools EVER.  

It's never been fear for the Huskies, last year, as much as the Huskies deserved the wins, the Ducks gift wrapped them. I had respect for Carroll's USC teams

 

I agree, Oregon is trending up from both of them. I'll always loathe Washington. 

[Desert Duck]

Go Scarlet Knights! 21-10 with 10 minutes to go. 

 

Edited September 28 by Desert Duck

[woundedknees]

UW lose by the magic number... 3!

[30Duck]

On 9/27/2024 at 8:48 PM, woundedknees said:

UW lose by the magic number... 3!

Huskies losing always makes things better. 

[Charles Fischer]

Unbelievable.  A game Washington should have won, almost easily.  Three missed field goals, (when they lost by only three) a dumb celebration penalty after they blocked a Rutgers FG, then the Knights score a TD on the next play?  Then TONS of dumb penalties that killed their drives.

 

Of course they won't play that way when they come to Eugene...

 

 

[Mike West]

On 9/27/2024 at 7:10 PM, 30Duck said:

It's never been fear for the Huskies, last year, as much as the Huskies deserved the wins, the Ducks gift wrapped them. I had respect for Carroll's USC teams

 

I agree, Oregon is trending up from both of them. I'll always loathe Washington. 

Yeah,

 

I'll NEVER forgive those arrogant fusky fans from the 70s, 80s and early 90s.

 

I went to UW my first two years of school.  I LOVE that campus.  But I still hate those fans.  So I despise them myself.

 

No amount of quality education will erase the disdain I have for those days when Fusky fans rubbed our mediocrity in our faces. 

 

Now they tremble at the thought of Oregon.  Poetic Justice at its greatest. 

[30Duck]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:27 PM, Mike West said:

I have for those days when Fusky fans rubbed our mediocrity in our faces. 

The line of demarcation is clear. The defining play for Oregon is, "The Pick" a great play. Washington's defining moment is Jake Browning wagging his finger. The Huskies laughed as they piled 70 on a bad Oregon team. Nowhere in their non cacademic prowess minds did they consider how many times, during their twelve year, 3 graduating classes losing streak to the Ducks, how easily Oregon could have put 70+ on them if they had wanted to.

[Utki]

If you EVER again hint that UW winning is good then you must suspend yourself for a week.  

[30Duck]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:12 PM, Charles Fischer said:

Of course they won't play that way when they come to Eugene.

They might, they played the same kind of game against the Cougs, shame the Beavs aren't on their schedule, they could go 0-2 against the Scrap-ll. 

[Duckpop22]

You know this very topic gives me hives. Here's how it goes: "If Washington is really good we will look EVEN BETTER when we beat them." Then they scratch out a fluke win against our injured quarterback. Or they injure him themselves!
 

And they get a bunch of national acclaim, and we spend a cold night in Shreveport. I'm having none of it! The Huskies MUST LOSE at every possible turn against every possible team. They must threaten to be worse than their 0-12 team and end up in the Big Sky. That is my wet dream!

 

[Haywarduck]

The only reason I can be ok with a dawg win is it makes their coach a little more attractive to UF. When the coach looks more attractive they just might lose their coach and even more games. 

 

I can play the long game and see the benefits to some meaningless wins and then the big loss of a coach leaving again. That would make me even happier, as long as we beat the dawgs too.

 

A little joy for the dawg fans as their coach plans his escape route isn't a terrible outcome..

[DrJacksPlaidPants]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:46 AM, Haywarduck said:

The only reason I can be ok with a dawg win is it makes their coach a little more attractive to UF. When the coach looks more attractive they just might lose their coach and even more games. 

 

I can play the long game and see the benefits to some meaningless wins and then the big loss of a coach leaving again. That would make me even happier, as long as we beat the dawgs too.

 

A little joy for the dawg fans as their coach plans his escape route isn't a terrible outcome..

I’m pretty sure Fisch will be in Seattle for a while. Florida will target a guy with SEC experience who is also a great recruiter. Fortunately, there’s a guy down in Orlando named Gus Malzahn who fits the bill perfectly. He has established recruiting relationships in Florida as well as the rest of SEC country.
 

Gus was able to last at Auburn for quite a while, so he knows how to deal with dysfunctional boosters and administrators. The question is will he want to go through that again? 

[OregonDucks]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:01 PM, Mike West said:

I'm not ever going to fear teams like last year's UW 

 

As 30Duck said, it's not fear, it's hate!

 

I'll never root for the Huskies, even if it would help the Ducks. 

[Mike West]

On 9/28/2024 at 6:47 AM, OregonDucks said:

 

As 30Duck said, it's not fear, it's hate!

 

I'll never root for the Huskies, even if it would help the Ducks. 

Well,

 

I'll always root for both USC and UW because it helps OBD.  

 

And I do believe its fear, because in my mind, I want the challenge of them being as good as us.  Because I relish the thought of stabbing them in the heart when we take a game from them.

 

And there's nothing like inflicting pain in a program that used to own us, and now we own them.  

 

My hate is directed to rising to the challenge of being awesome against awesome, and burying the programs formally known as great.  I want their best, not their worst.  Because I want them to know their best is never good enough. 

 

I'm willing to risk loss in order to be GREAT.  I don't want wimpy.  I don't want their fan base to cry about why we're better than them like they have the past few years.

 

I want to stick a dagger into their very best to show them they can't beat the best on the field - where it matter the most.  

[OregonDucks]

On 9/28/2024 at 10:44 PM, Mike West said:

I want their best, not their worst.  

Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
 

Washington’s 0-12 season is as much as I have enjoyed a college football season. Oregon at its worse never managed that feat.  

[30Duck]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:44 PM, Mike West said:

 

And there's nothing like inflicting pain in a program that used to own us, and now we own them.  

 

My hate is directed to rising to the challenge of being awesome against awesome, and burying the programs formally known as great.  I want their best, not their worst.  Because I want them to know their best is never good enough. 

I understand what you're saying. But, in my more than 50 years of loathing the Huskies, the 12 year winning streak is the best part of it. They knew Oregon was better than they were. The dominance Washington has built up has disintegrated. I used to have the numbers, but Oregon has been the better of the two, for a long time.

 

I like that dominance. I don't want to go win for win with them, another decade long winning streak would be fine

[AnotherOD]

Never really understood those who pulled for USC and the UW to improve. Is the argument: if Oregon isn't so good, maybe they look better if other conference teams are good?

 

Oregon won all its games and made the national championship.

 

I want Oregon to do well and things always work themselves out if you win your games.

 

The main thing I can see the UW and USC being better means, is they get a greater share of the better players, which makes it harder for Oregon to win all its games.

 

 

It is more difficult to get the best recruits (especially West Coast kids) to Oregon so Oregon isn't as good, and it now must beat competition that has more good players.

 

Oregon need 4 more points in 2011 and 4 more points in 2012 and probably would have made the National Championship game. That would have been 3 trips in a row.

 

If USC and the UW each were good enough to attract 2-3 top target recruits Oregon really wanted, who instead went elsewhere because those programs were on the upswing, those top target recruits in a Duck uniform aren't enough for 4 more points?

 

Talent wins games. When USC and the UW are down, it helps Oregon look like the place for kids, especially West Coast kids, to go if they want a shot at being in the National Championship mix (and all that goes along with that).

 

My thought has always been:

 

Having as much talent as possible  >> getting some kind of "bump" in perception when you are losing games due to other teams being slightly more well thought of.

 

You say beating them if they are better helps?

 

Well, Oregon went to the National Championship in 2010 by winning all its games. Stanford was the only win on its schedule that was better than 8-5. Stanford had a great run for sure, however, when Oregon beat them their prior four seasons were 1-11, 4-8, 5-7, and 8-5. They really were not yet viewed as a "top tier" sort of opponent nationally. 8 of its 12 wins were 0.500 or worse. Didn't matter.

 

Win the games. Pile up the talent. Having the most of the best players is a time tested recipe for college football success. USC or UW being good makes that more difficult.

 

Edited September 29 by AnotherOD

[Mike West]

On 9/28/2024 at 11:37 PM, 30Duck said:

I understand what you're saying. But, in my more than 50 years of loathing the Huskies, the 12 year winning streak is the best part of it. They knew Oregon was better than they were. The dominance Washington has built up has disintegrated. I used to have the numbers, but Oregon has been the better of the two, for a long time.

 

I like that dominance. I don't want to go win for win with them, another decade long winning streak would be fine

Yes,

 

The streak is nice.  Fitting in fact.  They get a taste of what it's like to "be average".  That's poetic justice.  

 

They hate us now.  Fear us in fact.  And frankly, they got caught cheating.  Or at least, like USC, they were told they weren't allowed to do what teams in the South have been doing 'our entire lives" ( I believe we're close in age).  

 

So I completely understand where you're coming from.  It's nice giving them a dose of their own medicine.

 

I realize I have a different mentality than most.  I really want them to realize they're never going to dominate us again, not be the premier team on the West Coast again.  

 

It is nice seeing them suffer now though.  And if we keep playing like we have the past two weeks, even if they play better than they've been playing, we will bury them like we have the past two decades.  

 

Ain't it cool?

[Mike West]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:47 AM, AnotherOD said:

Never really understood those who pulled for USC and the UW to improve. Is the argument: if Oregon isn't so good, maybe they look better if other conference teams are good?

 

Oregon won all its games and made the national championship.

 

I want Oregon to do well and things always work themselves out if you win your games.

 

The main thing I can see the UW and USC being better means, is they get a greater share of the better players, which makes it harder for Oregon to win all its games.

 

 

It is more difficult to get the best recruits (especially West Coast kids) to Oregon so Oregon isn't as good, and it now must beat competition that has more good players.

 

Oregon need 4 more points in 2011 and 4 more points in 2012 and probably would have made the National Championship game. That would have been 3 trips in a row.

 

If USC and the UW each were good enough to attract 2-3 top target recruits Oregon really wanted, who instead went elsewhere because those programs were on the upswing, those top target recruits in a Duck uniform aren't enough for 4 more points?

 

Talent wins games. When USC and the UW are down, it helps Oregon look like the place for kids, especially West Coast kids, to go if they want a shot at being in the National Championship mix (and all that goes along with that).

 

My thought has always been:

 

Having as much talent as possible  >> getting some kind of "bump" in perception when you are losing games due to other teams being slightly more well thought of.

 

You say beating them if they are better helps?

 

Well, Oregon went to the National Championship in 2010 by winning all its games. Stanford was the only win on its schedule that was better than 8-5. Stanford had a great run for sure, however, when Oregon beat them their prior four seasons were 1-11, 4-8, 5-7, and 8-5. They really were not yet viewed as a "top tier" sort of opponent nationally. 8 of its 12 wins were 0.500 or worse. Didn't matter.

 

Win the games. Pile up the talent. Having the most of the best players is a time tested recipe for college football success. USC or UW being good makes that more difficult.

 

USC is playoff material this very moment.  They have a good chance of reaching the playoffs.  They are pulling high level recruits.  Yet we just flipped a four star OL from Tennessee (payback).  

 

Georgia has won the most recent Nattys, one from Alabama.  Bama just lost the GOAT.  Bama is still  a top five recruiting powerhouse 

 

Texas and Tennessee are recruiting very well.  Hasn't affected Georgia, Bama, or Ohio State.

 

We are neck and neck with Ohio State for several recruits.  Isn't stopping them one bit.

 

UW and USC could go undefeated next year.  It will not affect us anymore.  We are damn near a recruiting Superpower.  We're certainly top ten. UW and USC will not stop us.  

 

Would winning the Big Ten title help any of the three of us?  Yep.  Still won't stop Ohio State.  Or OBD.

 

We are a better program than USC and UW.  We were when DeBoer was there.  We were on par when Peterson was there.  

 

Oregon isn't ' that cute team out West' anymore.  

 

 

[30Duck]

On 9/29/2024 at 4:48 PM, Mike West said:

 

Oregon isn't ' that cute team out West' anymore.  

Washington, with their 'athletic prowess" still doesn't get it. They never will, to them Oregon is still the team it was in the 70's. They spend a lot of energy whining about Phil, Nike, how everrything Oregon has accomplished wasbought and paid for. Without NIL, Oregon would never get a recruit. 

 

Washington's facilities are adequate. Oregon's have been the standard for a long time. the Duck is known everywhere, Oregon is a Brand. Muhammad talked about how different/better, his experience at Oregon is than anywhere else he's been.

 

Basically, Washington is still using a VCR. 

 

I remember, back in the 70's when USC would show up with lots of players, nor regulations like there is now. They really thought playing at Oregon was slumming it, and back then, Oregon's facilities were less than adequate. 

 

But USC respects, fears Oregon, in a way that UW can't grasp. Oregon is taking players directly from them. Columnists have written about it. USC has the cognitive awareness that UW doesn't.  They've done the math; they know they don't intimidate Oregon anymore. 

Edited September 30 by 30Duck

[Duckpop22]

OBD has been better than Washington over the decades. *Check* Better than them over the lifespan of recruits *Check*. But we haven't been better three times in a row, and that must end, or it will have become a pattern, just like it used to be. A  good way for us to be better is to be great.
 

But a better way for us to be better is for us to be great, for them to be average, and for that reality to be burned into the eyeballs of every good recruit and every top transfer portal player in the land! I root for the Huskies to lose to everyone, everywhere, and that includes that little team in Corvallis from that hand-me-down conference.

 

[Jon Joseph]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:46 AM, Haywarduck said:

The only reason I can be ok with a dawg win is it makes their coach a little more attractive to UF. When the coach looks more attractive they just might lose their coach and even more games. 

 

I can play the long game and see the benefits to some meaningless wins and then the big loss of a coach leaving again. That would make me even happier, as long as we beat the dawgs too.

 

A little joy for the dawg fans as their coach plans his escape route isn't a terrible outcome..

Then, Chun has Dickert follow him to UW which UW fans blame on Puddles, Uncle Phil, and OBD.   

 

They have 200 more yards than Rutgers and more yards than WSU and have dropped both games. By November 30th, this team could be very good. Baby Belichick has done a terrific job with a completely new defense. 

 

When the Cascade Clash arrives I want it to be in contention for The Game of the Year. 7 B1G teams are ranked but SEC teams heading into Week 6 litter the top tier of the AP Poll. Ole Miss which had played trash to date was exposed and embarrassed by Kentucky on Saturday in Oxford. I hope that it's Mizzou's turn this Saturday at A+M. The B1G needs to prove that 'two B1G teams' playing for a title last season was not an aberration. That SEC teams are not automatically preferred over B1G teams when it's playoff-picking time. There are B1G dollars involved; especially, for a half-share 'junior partner.' We need the PO and CBB Tourney dues. 

 

B1G teams getting blown out by Texas and Bama on B1G home fields is not a good look. (BTW, does Michigan get EVERY break in the books from B1G refs?) UW losing to a G5 team in Seattle is not good. Texas opens in Columbus vs Ohio State next season and Michigan plays at Oklahoma. If you are going to schedule these games, you best be competitive, or come the PO the SEC will dominate the PO and at least for the next two seasons with the current format, potentially host all 4 first-round PO games in addition to having the majority of PO bowl games played in Dixie.  

 

GO DUCKS! SPLATTER SPARTY!

[30Duck]

On 10/1/2024 at 4:36 AM, Jon Joseph said:

Ole Miss which had played trash to date was exposed and embarrassed by Kentucky on Saturday in Oxford.

I'm not sure that getting beat by Kentucky is embarrassing. They didn't start well, a 31-6 loss to South Carolina. But they let their game against Georgia get away. 3-2 now, a Bye this week, followed by Vandy, Florida, Auburn should have them 6-2, before hosting Tennessee.

Edited October 1 by 30Duck

[Jon Joseph]

On 10/1/2024 at 9:39 AM, 30Duck said:

I'm not sure that getting beat by Kentucky is embarrassing. They didn't start well, a 31-6 loss to South Carolina. But they let their game against Georgia get away. 3-2 now, a Bye this week, followed by Vandy, Florida, Auburn should have them 6-2, before hosting Tennessee.

 

Good point on KY but Ole Miss in The Sip was a considerable favorite. Kentucky does not have CFB cache it has in CBB. Even though it was a loss to ANOTHER AWESOME SEC TEAM, the Kiffs dropped to No. 12 behind 1 loss Michigan and USC. 

 

A lot of PO contenders in the SEC but not KY to date. 

[AnotherOD]

I tend to look at it like this.

 

Forget "five stars" and "four stars" counts and let's just say between the states of Oregon, California, Idaho, Arizona, and Washington there are just 12 kids everybody wants.

 

Do we want Oregon, USC, and UW to all be pretty good and have 4 go to Oregon, 4 to USC, and 4 to the UW?

 

Or do we want those other programs to be on a bit of a slide and have 9 go to Oregon, 2 to USC, and 1 to the UW? I like the idea of 9.