19 minutes ago, OregonDucks said:

Only two Oregon OL were selected in the NFL draft and I believe only one came to Oregon as a high school recruit (Conerly Jr.), who was primarily recruited by Mario but Lanning closed the deal.

How many of our current starting offensive lineman came to Oregon from high school vs. the transfer portal?

Lanning has sent more O-Linemen to the NFL than Belotti, Chip and Mario. Mario may have recruited some guys, but DL and his staff developed them.

Observations

The O line is not championship caliber. Coach Cig had his team better prepared than Lanning did and I’d say coached better during the game as well. Didn’t see a plan B from Will Stein when the passing game got bottled up. Receivers not getting separation.

That paragraph...repeated from above...and I fully concur.

Dante Moore "fault" for not making adjustments? Hell, Indiana was running so much stuff from different spots into his face...and Oregon sacked 6 times....he didn't have in-play time to make adjustments. No single blocker "adjustment" was going to slow down what Indiana was able to do on defense.

Indiana had almost all their guys in a box within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage. The Oregon RB's couldn't gain more than 3-4 yds. Moore didn't have time. I'm not sure what kind of adjustments Stein could make to what was going on. Whatever, if he did, it didn't work in the second half either. Disappointed the RB's weren't able to gash into the secondary to make IU's box defense loosen up.

And, let's stop the nonsense about Oregon's O-line and the Joe Moore Award.

5 hours ago, Lonnie said:

Do we have a pass rush anymore?

Nope...Matayo, to me, has gained too much weight. Explosion is gone

JJ has the right perspective on this loss IMHO. I told my great Duck buddy immediately after the game that the Ducks now have a wonderful opportunity to grow from this and I am glad that this opportunity came in the middle of the season. Here is the basis for my opinion.

Last season every thing was roses for the Ducks ...that is, until the Rose Bowl. I saw complacency happening in the Oregon team as everything seemed easy. I feared it and it reared its ugly head in Madison Wisconsin against a team the Ducks should have (in my judgment) beaten easily. Things steamrolled along until the Rose Bowl against a team that the complacent Ducks had already beaten, came in boat raced them, surprising many on this board. I remember telling myself that I almost wish in retrospect, that the Ducks had lost the OSU game in Autzen.

Nick Saban used to talk about rat poison, or the complacency that can result when players are repeatedly told how great they are. Today should fix that, losing AT HOME to a conference foe that people underestimated. How great is it that this lesson was learned relatively early and that players will maybe more closely listen when told that they have to scratch and claw for everything they earn? By the time the Ducks learned this last year, their season had just come to an end.

Clearly nobody likes to lose. But some losses are better than others, and this one, in my humble opinion, is potentially a good one that could pay real dividends come playoff time.

10 hours ago, DrJacksPlaidPants said:

Lanning has sent more O-Linemen to the NFL than Belotti, Chip and Mario. Mario may have recruited some guys, but DL and his staff developed them.

That is a take.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by OregonDucks

I can’t recall if Oregon had ever before played in two top ten games in a row, separated by an off-week or not. Just felt and looked like our adrenaline supply ran out 10 minutes before there’s did.

16 hours ago, woundedknees said:

Worst O-line performance in quite a while.

Tackling was inept today...

Hmmm……can’t block, can’t tackle………

What else is there?

1 hour ago, OregonDucks said:

That is a take.

Out of the eight Oregon O-Linemen in the NFL, six of them played for Lanning. World and Pancho will get drafted after this season.

Mario recruited a lot of them, but I don’t know that Forsyth and Laulu get drafted without that year in Dillingham’s offense. Both were late round picks.

JPJ is likely a late rounder in Mario’s system. However, Mario had him on the D-Line, so who knows how he would have turned out. Mario did put Penei and Hanson in the NFL.

Chip/Helf had Johnstone and Grasu. Unger is the only one I can remember from the Belotti era.

Smaller faster d lineman played to their strength against Ducks much larger & slower O line. We used to see this on occasion with Ducks teams of the past using much smaller d lineman against SEC or Big teams. Using scheme, stunts and movement. And we won some of those games.

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Deion was a Prime Time Ralphie will be in the spotlight hire. Cig? He wasn't wrong - Google him was the only way to learn about where he'd been and what he'd done. By comparison, the K State program was flush with victories before Bill Snyder arrived in the Little Apple.

When it comes to CFB trivia, I like to think I know something. 🤪Before yesterday, I did not know that the Hoosiers mascot was a hairy-looking thing without a brush or a comb that I think is a Bison?

Cig is the betting favorite for this season's Archimedes Award. Give me a lever long enough (transfer portal) and a fulcrum (NIL - thank you, Mark Cuban et al.), and I will move the college football world.

Seven weeks in. The regular season is half over, and only half over.

Next case - Beat the Schi out of Schiano!

I think we must remember Cignetti is much like Kalen DeBoer. Both have more experience than Lanning as a HC.

Both have shown wrinkles DL hasn't learned yet. I still believe he is an elite coach. I also believe he must micromanage his coordinators. They don't have the vision DL has, and I'm not sure they understand the game the way DL does.

Another thing: Dante Moore's struggles probably had more to do with dealing with elite coaching from our opponent. He faced pressure and looks he probably never sees. I would think that would be something a QB has to practice against every week, but I'm probably wrong.

In any event, DL has only lost 7 games . Three of those were with a very ill equiped team. He's 1-5 against elite coaches. He's going to learn. He's very determined to overcome these things.

I foresee he stops assuming certain aspects of preparation and starts truly assessing how teams look to deconstruct his team. That's been his weakness so far. Assuming he can identify what coaches are looking at when they evaluate the squad.

Repeat post.

As a forum member i take great joy in reading the comments and perspectives on the different threads. From the deeply analytical, the heart broken and the combo sky is falling/end of the world posts. Love them all!

This one of a kind, safe haven forum that Sir Charles created allows the freedom for all to express. Here's my perspective.

Even though its been over 25 years since i coached, the sophistication of the game may have changed but not the laws of execution, experience and the resulting performances.

The Duck D played a solid game and gave the Duck O ample opportunities, with great field position. They even put points on the board!

The Duck O, well thats a different story. As a unit they collectively left points off the board.

Give credit to Indiana coaching staff! They challenged Moore to beat them and he couldn't. Not because the O line was terrible or skilled position players lost their abilities.

Indiana prepared a Defensive scheme that Moore(in his 13th start) could not recognize and audible out of. Duck fans have been spoiled for 3 seasons with 2 NFL caliber QB's with a combined 120 plus starts. Moore has NFL potential but lacks that game time experience. He gained a seasons worth of experience yesterday against a experienced CFP team.

This fan will not support a position that blames Moore or the O line. DL and Stein did not help the matters because they kept moving away from the only scheme that worked. The fast tempo and power runs that moved the ball.

Moore had no time to even see the wide open, breaking free receivers! IU sent multiple players at him. With the Duck TE's running routes and backs in the slot, OBDF members, 5 lineman cannot block 6 or 7 D players. Moore was on the move, scrambling when those routes broke open. The fast tempo power running plays set up the long TD pass. IU disguised their scheme very well.

This Duck team will continue to learn, grow and improve. 11-1 is in their grasp but 10-2 may not make the CFP.

We shall see against Rutgers!

Go Ducks

DL is an elite leader, not sure on in-game decision making, but our OC and DC...not sure they are quite as elite as X/O coaches? Trending on since probably Helfrich, our half time adjustments often seem to be not great compared to other teams, and that's a coaching thing. Against top 10 teams that's not a good thing. It worked in the B1G CG last year and we held on over PSU. PSU win not as impressive now obviously.

Feels like last year, we ended regular season but felt like we were maybe a top 15 team, not top 5. Feels the same now. The line play both ways won't work against OSU, Miami, GA, LSU, Bama type teams in the playoffs. It's a young team, if Moore returns and some more great recruiting and portal wins, next year could actually be better. DL is a leader who could still take us there this year, the talent is there. Stein needs to do better imho

Going back to the O-line. It's pretty proven that getting a bunch of transfers doesn't usually work out to having an elite line, you need guys to play together for a while, you need consistency. We have to recruit better there if we want to win a natty, no other way to put it, have to beat Miami to getting those recruits, whether that's through NIL or getting an elite line coach, it has to happen.

We'll see how the recruits from last year develop, but this season so far it's been a bit of a mixed bag in terms of that recruitment, we might hold on to the kid from Maryland, we got a few guys that were committed to Cal, but we've also whiffed on some big time guys who might have changed the momentum for that position.

I think we're still a good team, Moore is a good QB, but it's obvious that he's behind Mendoza and Simpson, might be behind Beck, and some others.

It's pretty disappointing that the one decent team we play all season we played a sub-par game where we were out-worked and out-coached, we generally didn't put our best foot forward.

Doesn't mean the season is over, but it's a huge wake call that we aren't ready for the big time this year, of course a lot of this based on how Penn St. has completely fallen apart.

I think Cig proved that coaching experience matters. I think the Ducks were out-schemed in this game and our young coaches got schooled. I still believe in Lanning's ability to learn from experience.