The Rumors About Ryan Day....Whew!

[Charles Fischer]

 

[Charles Fischer]

[Autzen Magic]

The "legal analysis" above is laughable, but I do like the idea of tOSU firing Day and UO swooping in and cherry picking their top recruits!

[noDucknewby]

Sorry not buying it at this time when they're most likely headed to the playoffs.  Also saw another recent link for vote of confidence from their AD that contained an actual quote:

 

Ohio State AD Ross Bjork issues strong support for football coach Ryan Day

WWW.DISPATCH.COM

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Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork told The Dispatch on Sunday that football coach Ryan Day has his full support despite the loss to Michigan.

 

An early exit from the playoff though and I think it might happen.

Edited December 2 by noDucknewby

[Charles Fischer]

 

[Charles Fischer]

 

[Jon Joseph]

Signing day is Wednesday. Drop Day for Kelly who HATES recruiting and after the way his O played on Saturday? 

 

Day has the second-best winning percentage in the history of CFB. On Saturday, Day lost to an unranked team. Urban Meyer lost to three unranked teams. But Urb went 7-0 vs. The 4-in-a-row School Up North.   Watching the game on Saturday, I pondered: How did this tOSU team put up 31 points on Oregon in Eugene? 

 

Day will not be fired. If he is fired down the road he will be replaced by an ace recruiter and not by Chip.  

 

Let's see if Ohio State hosts Tennessee or plays at Tennessee. One will likely be the 8 seed and the other the 9 seed. SOS - Ohio State 26/ Tennessee 28. Close to a push. 

[Jon Joseph]

On 12/2/2024 at 5:11 PM, Charles Fischer said:

 

 

I guess Chipper had to cover the pay cut?

[Desert Duck]

I just like to welcome all the disenchanted OSU recruits to come on over to Oregon.

 

We'll leave the light on for ya.

[OregonDucks]

On 12/2/2024 at 5:01 PM, noDucknewby said:

Sorry not buying it at this time when they're most likely headed to the playoffs.  Also saw another recent link for vote of confidence from their AD that contained an actual quote:

 

Ohio State AD Ross Bjork issues strong support for football coach Ryan Day

WWW.DISPATCH.COM

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Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork told The Dispatch on Sunday that football coach Ryan Day has his full support despite the loss to Michigan.

 

 

A public vote of confidence from the AD? Coach Day is gone (unless he wins the national championship). That’s the kiss of death for a coach. 

[Drake]

tOSU fanbase being unhappy seems like a good thing. Just adds another rival fanbase that we can laugh at….

[noDucknewby]

On 12/2/2024 at 3:43 PM, OregonDucks said:

A public vote of confidence from the AD? Coach Day is gone (unless he wins the national championship). That’s the kiss of death for a coach. 

I don't necessarily disagree, just saying it doesn't happen until after the playoffs.

 

I always attach more credibility to actual quotes from the decision makers than some random online source.

[David Marsh]

On 12/2/2024 at 2:27 PM, Jon Joseph said:

How did this tOSU team put up 31 points on Oregon in Eugene? 

There were a much healthier team that early in the season and were coming off a fairly recent bye. 

 

End of the season is when things get messy. I'm feeling even more thankful for our late bye than ever before.

[Jon Joseph]

On 12/2/2024 at 6:43 PM, OregonDucks said:

A public vote of confidence from the AD? Coach Day is gone (unless he wins the national championship). That’s the kiss of death for a coach. 

 

New AD Ross Bjork, who came in from Texas A+M to replace the venerable Gene Smith, is in a tough spot. His football coach has one of the best winning percentages of all time but has lost four out of five games to the hated Wolverines. 

 

I see that good, ole Todd McShade was the last Yahoo to predict that Day would be fired after the 2025 class signing day and the playoff. IMO, Poppycock!

 

Day is a terrific recruiter who also adeptly picked the portal last season. Running off McCord for Will Howard benefited Syracuse, only the Orange's 3rd 9-win season since 2000 more than Ohio State. But in an age when very few teams are deep on the O line, the injury to a starting tackle in the OBD game and the starting center in practice could not be overcome against a D line as solid as Michigan's. On Saturday it was not the O line with its starting center that closed out the win at Penn State without a pass being thrown.

 

How many 'pencil him in as a starter' O-line guys come up in the portal? Day did well picking up a quality center. Danno has distinguished himself with a starting tackle and a starting guard. Still, it took the Ducks O-line time to get going in 2024.

 

Day was 'this close' to a PO win against Georgia and a defeat of TCU to win a title and likely would have won the game vs UGA if Marvin Harrison had not been injured. 

 

Unless a refreshed and rejuvenated Urban Meyer is ready for an encore, is there a replacement out there who has the bona fides to step in and have Day's success; a candidate who will routinely defeat Michigan and win national titles? With the incredible group of seniors Ohio State is losing this season on the D side of the ball, a coaching transition during the portal shopping period could be devastating. 

 

The media loves you on the way up and once you have arrived, cannot wait to beat you back down. It's been thus forever and (un)Social Media has allowed many the moron behind a keyboard to join in.

 

If I'm around to watch , I expect we'll see Day on the sideline in 2026 when OBD trips to Columbus.

 

PLASTER PENN STATE!

[30Duck]

On 12/3/2024 at 8:12 AM, Jon Joseph said:

I see that good, ole Todd McShade was the last Yahoo to predict that Day would be fired after the 2025 class signing day and the playoff. IMO, Poppycock!

 

Absolutely, Day is safe for sure now. 

[Jon Joseph]

 

A Good Take on Day. I Wonder if Lincoln is Enjoying the Trojans Wire Coverage?

 

With friends like these ...

 

 

Ryan Day, Ohio State could hire Lincoln Riley as offensive coordinator

TROJANSWIRE.USATODAY.COM

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Ohio State is a program which could take Lincoln Riley off USC’s hands. It’s obviously not likely, but remember: It was never likely that Riley would leave Oklahoma.

 

[Ktmguy2018]

On 12/3/2024 at 8:24 AM, Jon Joseph said:

 

A Good Take on Day. I Wonder if Lincoln is Enjoying the Trojans Wire Coverage?

 

With friends like these ...

 

 

Ryan Day, Ohio State could hire Lincoln Riley as offensive coordinator

TROJANSWIRE.USATODAY.COM

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Ohio State is a program which could take Lincoln Riley off USC’s hands. It’s obviously not likely, but remember: It was never likely that Riley would leave Oklahoma.

 

I read that article!  At this point, who in their same mind would want to go anywhere near Ryan Day?

 

I hear Willie Taggart may want to come back to college coaching.  . Like Derek Henry needs him anyway!

 

Also, LOTS of Ohio State fans are saying the AD should pursue Lanning!  Responses to those statements range from "Yes, go for it" to "Why THE HELL would Lanning leave Oregon for this mess?". 

[Jon Joseph]

College Football News Lights Up Chip Kelly and Not Ryan Day. Chip, Not Ryan, Should Disappear.

 

THE MICHIGAN GAME PALES COMPARED TO A NATTY. DUH!

 

https://collegefootballnews.com/college-football/ohio-state-michigan-game-national-title-focus

 

 

[Solar]

On 12/2/2024 at 4:03 PM, noDucknewby said:

I don't necessarily disagree, just saying it doesn't happen until after the playoffs.

 

I always attach more credibility to actual quotes from the decision makers than some random online source.

This.

 

I will say that the OSU AD being in the middle of trying to stop the brawl while Ryan Day stood on the sidelines asking what was going on had to piss off the AD at a personal level at a minimum.

[The Kamikaze Kid]

On the day before signing day, is Lanning on the phone with osu2's entire 2025 class? Of course he would have to keep it short as he has to prepare for a conference championship. Free time advantage Buckeyes.

[Dave23]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:47 AM, Solar said:

This.

 

I will say that the OSU AD being in the middle of trying to stop the brawl while Ryan Day stood on the sidelines asking what was going on had to piss off the AD at a personal level at a minimum.

This is exactly the problem with Day, does anyone here think Lanning would have been sitting on the sideline during that. If you're not going to lead these young impressionable adults, then who will.

[Haywarduck]

If I was Ryan Day I wouldn't be renewing any memberships until after the playoffs. Losing to Michigan, at home, when you are ranked #2 isn't a good look.

 

I have a feeling there would be questions about Lanning if he lost to the dawgs at home and then fell out of the playoffs. The Oregon program would stick with Lanning, but there would be grumblings.

 

With tosu, they are much more likely to go into a full........ Of course we don't care because we own tosu!

[noDucknewby]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:47 AM, Solar said:

This.

 

I will say that the OSU AD being in the middle of trying to stop the brawl while Ryan Day stood on the sidelines asking what was going on had to piss off the AD at a personal level at a minimum.

Yep that may be the bigger issue, total lack of leadership.

[Augduck]

This makes sense- 

 

[30Duck]

Please, Ryan, explain why you think you still qualify for the B1G Championship game?

[jrw]

Someone needs to learn how to spell "qualify". Put the "u" after the "q', always.

[Charles Fischer]

On 12/3/2024 at 3:51 PM, jrw said:

Someone needs to learn how to spell "qualify". Put the "u" after the "q', always.

That made me wince too....it is the "editor" in us jrw!

 

[30Duck]

Day is safe...for now. But, despite the win over osu2, Michigan just fired their OC.

 

Michigan fired offensive coordinator Kirk Campbell on Tuesday, ending his three-year tenure with the team and his first as playcaller.

Campbell oversaw an offense that had slipped to 112th nationally in scoring and 129th in passing this fall, while using three different starting quarterbacks. He served as Michigan's quarterbacks coach in 2022, mentoring eventual first-round NFL draft pick J.J. McCarthy when the team won its first national championship since 1997.

[woundedknees]

Why is it I know more about proper spelling than 97.4% of the currently available 'spell-check' programs out there?

[Just Ducky]

Maybe because spell check is not reliable.

[WaterPoloDuck]

Ohio State’s Jeremiah Smith acknowledges recent social media post about Ryan Day that may throw up a major red flag

 

 

I think there's a good chance that "inept" Ryan Day might drive Jeremiah Smith to the portal. Oh how awesome of a portal pickup he would be for OBD!

 

Make sure to watch Auntie Bev's video in the article. It's what Jeremiah Smith liked on Instagram. 

[Jon Joseph]

On 12/3/2024 at 2:56 PM, Dave23 said:

This is exactly the problem with Day, does anyone here think Lanning would have been sitting on the sideline during that. If you're not going to lead these young impressionable adults, then who will.

 

I've been shell-shocked. Everything disappears from the usual cognition. Everything is opaque.  Day deserves, kind of, to be dumped on but IMO, not for being shell-shocked at the end of the game.

 

Win with Dignity and take the L with Respect. Sportsmanship? 'Hey. let's rub it in and plant a flag on the astroturf!' BRILLIANT!

 

Criticizing Day's reaction or lack of reaction after figurately being punched in the mouth?  I get it. He was non compos mentis.

 

He's the guy at the top so Day deserves the criticism but why did he bring in 'yesterday's OC'  Chip Kelly?  With far better athletes on both sides of the ball, Chip decided to play to the strength of Michigan D. Decided not to go over the top. I saw this movie in 2010 vs. Nick (un) Fairley.

 

I do believe that Day sans Kelly would have called a better game. This Buckeyes team if properly coached and motivated could go a long way in the PO. 

 

Us Biggies have 4 teams in the PO - If the other 3 are not playing OD, you go guys!

[30Duck]

On 12/3/2024 at 7:18 PM, Jon Joseph said:

 

He's the guy at the top so Day deserves the criticism but why did he bring in 'yesterday's OC'  Chip Kelly?

This is a good question. Lanning hasn't had a miss yet in bringing in new coaches/coordinators. I think he went sentimental and hired Chip because of his past relationship with him, and to the team's detriment, didn't overrule his playcalling. 

[David Marsh]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:31 PM, woundedknees said:

Why is it I know more about proper spelling than 97.4% of the currently available 'spell-check' programs out there?

Shockingly people don't actually use spell check. 

 

As a high school teacher I have sadly needed to make it an explicit requirement for students to resolve all the red squiggles and use the spell check. Sure they still might pick the wrong word... But it's still better than the alternative.

[Dave23]

On 12/3/2024 at 8:18 PM, Jon Joseph said:

 

I've been shell-shocked. Everything disappears from the usual cognition. Everything is opaque.  Day deserves, kind of, to be dumped on but IMO, not for being shell-shocked at the end of the game.

 

Win with Dignity and take the L with Respect. Sportsmanship? 'Hey. let's rub it in and plant a flag on the astroturf!' BRILLIANT!

 

Criticizing Day's reaction or lack of reaction after figurately being punched in the mouth?  I get it. He was non compos mentis.

 

He's the guy at the top so Day deserves the criticism but why did he bring in 'yesterday's OC'  Chip Kelly?  With far better athletes on both sides of the ball, Chip decided to play to the strength of Michigan D. Decided not to go over the top. I saw this movie in 2010 vs. Nick (un) Fairley.

 

I do believe that Day sans Kelly would have called a better game. This Buckeyes team if properly coached and motivated could go a long way in the PO. 

 

Us Biggies have 4 teams in the PO - If the other 3 are not playing OD, you go guys!

I'm not saying Michigan was in the right I'm just saying that Days leadership is lacking and that he doesn't have that leader of men type quality that Sabine, Smart, Lanning or other elite coaches have.

 

I don't think the above mentioned coaches have ever been so shell shocked from a loss as to not keep his guys from continuing a brawl rightfully or wrongfully. Sherrone Moore wasn't sitting on the sideline he was in there tell is players to back off. To me that's a leader of men I'd want as a coach. Two wrongs still don't make a right.

 

Blame Kelly for losing to Michigan this time but he didn't lose the other 3 games against Michigan. Weaknesses is revealed early and he's just never seemed to have the it factor. Him blankly starting at a brawl is indicative of his coaching style.

[QuackAttack]

There’s no way TOSU could be that stupid! Look at Day’s overall record. I get the fact that TOSU fans are spoiled brats like Bama fans, but the administration can’t possibly be that stupid.

[Mike West]

On 12/3/2024 at 10:17 PM, Dave23 said:

I'm not saying Michigan was in the right I'm just saying that Days leadership is lacking and that he doesn't have that leader of men type quality that Sabine, Smart, Lanning or other elite coaches have.

 

I don't think the above mentioned coaches have ever been so shell shocked from a loss as to not keep his guys from continuing a brawl rightfully or wrongfully. Sherrone Moore wasn't sitting on the sideline he was in there tell is players to back off. To me that's a leader of men I'd want as a coach. Two wrongs still don't make a right.

 

Blame Kelly for losing to Michigan this time but he didn't lose the other 3 games against Michigan. Weaknesses is revealed early and he's just never seemed to have the it factor. Him blankly starting at a brawl is indicative of his coaching style.

I completely blame Chip for this loss.  They scored 10 points.  With one of the best, if not the best set of WRs in college football.

 

Ohio State had a natural and distinct advantage - their WRs versus Michigan's secondary.  Furthermore, the best cor er in college football is out for the season.

 

There was no excuse to run the ball as much as they did.  It wasn't working, and worse, Michigan has no ability to defend abWR crew like that.

 

It's the same mistake Chip made against Auburn.  The Tigers had no answer for even Daren Thomas' barely above average passing game.  But Chip wanted to prove OBD were physical enough to outclass Auburn's clear strength.  

 

Chip duplicated that mistake on Saturday.  And despite will Howard missing a key TD pass, you just don't walk away from that kind of advantage.  He didn't blink to pass on OBD, and that's why they scored 31.

 

OBD dropped 38 on Michigan because we refused to leave 'food on the table".

 

Day was dazed because he just couldn't believe his offense, and his damn kicker couldn't produce.  The offense the game on Saturday, not the Buckeyes.

 

Sure, Day is responsible for Chip, but heck, scoring ten on Michigan is like scoring 45 on Sheldon High School.  It's beyond inexcusable.

[30Duck]

On 12/4/2024 at 3:04 AM, Mike West said:

Sure, Day is responsible for Chip

This is where I agree with Dave 23's indictment of Day's leadership. "The Buck-eye stops here" with the head coach. Chip was the HC against Auburn, Day is the HC against Michigan. Either he didn't have any problem with Kelly's playcalling or he froze. Neither should be acceptable.

[Dave23]

On 12/4/2024 at 3:04 AM, Mike West said:

I completely blame Chip for this loss.  They scored 10 points.  With one of the best, if not the best set of WRs in college football.

 

Ohio State had a natural and distinct advantage - their WRs versus Michigan's secondary.  Furthermore, the best cor er in college football is out for the season.

 

There was no excuse to run the ball as much as they did.  It wasn't working, and worse, Michigan has no ability to defend abWR crew like that.

 

It's the same mistake Chip made against Auburn.  The Tigers had no answer for even Daren Thomas' barely above average passing game.  But Chip wanted to prove OBD were physical enough to outclass Auburn's clear strength.  

 

Chip duplicated that mistake on Saturday.  And despite will Howard missing a key TD pass, you just don't walk away from that kind of advantage.  He didn't blink to pass on OBD, and that's why they scored 31.

 

OBD dropped 38 on Michigan because we refused to leave 'food on the table".

 

Day was dazed because he just couldn't believe his offense, and his damn kicker couldn't produce.  The offense the game on Saturday, not the Buckeyes.

 

Sure, Day is responsible for Chip, but heck, scoring ten on Michigan is like scoring 45 on Sheldon High School.  It's beyond inexcusable.

I hear you, during the game against OBD they had an advantage over our DBs and was dumbfounded that they didn't throw the ball more. Sounds to me like a pistol formation up the middle problem, maybe they weren't physical enough.

 

Day losing to UM at home is equivalent of OBD losing to Washington this year. Would the Ducks fans call for Lannings head for losing 4 in row to our biggest rival then standing there while Mullen's tries to break up a brawl on the field? I for one wouldn't be proud of that. 

 

What's Days excuse, it's not me I hired the wrong guy 4 years in a row. If you're a head coach you're very involved in the strategy and game plan if your offensive coordinator is going rouge then fire him. If Day isn't making adjustments to the game plan at halftime and then making sure the plays are called accordingly then that's on him. You have to be a leader and I'm not seeing that from him.

 

This is football not war and if your shell shocked from losing maybe being the head coach of one of the top teams in the nation is not for you. Can you honestly tell me Lanning, Sabine, or Smart would have sat there. The whole rest of tOSU team was certainly not shell shocked and they defended their field from and unsportsmanlike opponent. It comes down to is this the guy that you want leading your team.

 

Arguably tOSU has had one of if not the most talent team in the nation every year and has not won the big games. If I was a tOSU fan I would start to feel like I had a Mario problem.

[Jon Joseph]

Great comments. A few thoughts.

 

Ryan Day called the plays for the Bucks in 2021, 2022, and 2023. OSU wanted to become more physical. Chip has always featured a run-first O. Chip is stubborn. Mike West's Auburn game comparison is spot on.

 

Two future NFL Ohio State O-line guys went down—LT Simmons vs. OBD and starting center McLaughlin in practice. If OBD lost the starters at these positions I believe Dan Lanning and Will Stein would adjust. Against one of the best D-lines in CFB, Chip did not adjust.

 

In 2017 Ryan Day left the NFL where he coached under Chip to be Urban Meyer's play caller. Day was the interim head coach in 2018 when Meyer was placed on administrative leave for three games. Day was named head coach in 2019 when Meyer retired. 

 

From 2019 through Saturday's loss, Ryan Day has lost FIVE, CINCO, CINQUE, CINQ, FIVE Big Ten Football games. Four to Michigan, 2 of the four in years Michigan went to the 4-team playoff, and one to OBD. 

 

Day has brought in top-drawer recruiting classes year after year. He has portal picked well including 2023/24. It is not easy to bring in starting O-linemen from the portal. Will Howard played a terrific game in Eugene. Howard was a deer in the headlights vs. Michigan. Day's reliable FG kicker missed two FGs he could make in his sleep. Ohio State wins 16-13 and Buckeyes fans are ticked off over the close win but no one is calling for Day's head.

 

If you watched the rankings show last night, you saw OHIO STATE No. 6. Michigan is not going to the Playoff; Ohio State is going to the Playoff and will host a home game, most likely on December 21st with Tennessee coming North to Columbus.

 

The post-game antics? Win with grace and lose with dignity. But in the scheme of things, B1G WHOOP! Survive and advance in the Playoff and the Michigan loss will not be forgotten but it will be at least somewhat, forgiven. 

 

If Ohio State fired Day, he would be unemployed for a nano-second. However, and it won't be easy, Chip Kelly is past his Use By date. Day needs to return to calling plays or find an OC up to speed on today's game. 

 

The 2024 No. 1 QB recruit, 5* Julian Sayin, is waiting in the wings, along with many other studs recruited by Ryan Day. 

 

 

 

 

[Dave23]

Urban Meyer vs Michigan 7-0, Urban Meyers in bowl games 7-1 Urban Meyers vs Oregon 2-0. Ryan Day vs Michigan 0-4, Ryan Day in bowl games 2-4 Ryan Day vs Oregon 0-2. 

 

Day does not have a track record of winning the big games like his predecessor. This is the standard that tOSU has come to expect. If Day went to Miami would he have a better record than Mario? He's a great recruiter no doubt but we all know that doesn't win the big games.

 

I like Day and think he would do great at just about any university I just don't think he's an elite coach. With all the talent he has amassed he should be winning at home against inferior competition ie. Oregon and Michigan. You can't blame Chip Kelly for this is he partially responsible Yes. 

 

The real problem is who would you replace him with and honestly I can't say there's anyone better out there that they could actually get.

 

Is Lanning really that good at picking out position coaches and coordinators or does he make them better? Is Day learning from his mistakes an elevating everyone around him? To me this is what makes an elite coach not just a great recruiter. 

 

Was hiring Chip Kelly a good hire with the power dynamics of who's in charge, probably not and that lands firmly on Day. If you're not a good manager and make poor decisions that's on you. There's so much more to coaching than just bringing in elite talent that can overpower most lesser opponents and where that shows out is in the big games.

 

I don't know the answers but I really hope Day doesn't prove me wrong this year.  

[Mike West]

On 12/4/2024 at 7:08 AM, Dave23 said:

Arguably tOSU has had one of if not the most talent team in the nation every year and has not won the big games. If I was a tOSU fan I would start to feel like I had a Mario problem

Great comment overall. 

 

The big question I have is what coach has performed as well as day (outside of his big game issues?).

 

I don't see one single coach leaving his spot at an elite school for Ohio State.  

 

Their fans are unreasonable, spoiled, petulant, entitled, and seem to think 2014 was yesterday.

 

Much like Tennessee fans used to be, and what Texas fans will be real soon if Sark doesn't bring a title the next three years.

 

Yes, Ohio State was killing us throwing the ball, but they never threw that haymaker, and we left far more points off the board than they did.

 

We should have dropped forty on them.  But that's what happens when you don't play a perfect game, which is EXACTLY what you have to do against the elite team.

 

Last time I checked, Saban and Kirby has NFLesque teams, so they didn't have to be perfect, they just had to breathe and they'd win.

 

Day almost got Kirby for his Title, but his much maligned QB (in the NFL at least) was off target on a sure TD.  That's performance related, not Coaching related.  Much like Bonin Seattle (and nearly Dillian against Ohio State in the third quarter).

 

Ryan Day may not have that marquee victory yet, but he'll get it if his fans STFU.  I saw a YouTube short that Joel Klatt posted ten months ago that recycled.  Do you know how many Ohio State fans said day would choke.  Talk about FEBU!!!!

 

I damn near would tell fans to stay home.  "I'll win my marquee games without you".  With fans like that, who needs a fan base.

 

Ryan Day will get his title.  He can get it this year ( if he tells his fans to shut up lol).  Ohio State and OBD are the two best teams in the field.  Bar none.  

 

If both pass the damn ball enough, nobody will stop them.  Nobody.  It's really that simple.  And if they face off again, I'm betting the wealth of the entire world on the over, because that game will be a basketball score.  

 

That's how good both teams are 

 

Ohio State needs to ignore the noise and focus.  They are damn near unstoppable.  And they don't need anybody telling them anything.

 

My opinion of course.

 

Awesome post.  You hit it firmly and precisely.

[David Marsh]

The Lanning v Day in terms of coaching and motivation is just night and day (ha ha pun!). 

 

During the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry game how do you think Day spent half time? I seriously doubt it was spent taking a sledge hammer to a Michigan helmet. 

 

Meanwhile... Lanning absolutely took a sledge hammer to a Washington helmet while Boettcher was walking around with a bat. If you haven't seen this week's Ducks vs Them you should. 

 

Lanning motivates and keeps his players focused on the execution. 

 

Ohio State looked listless out there. 

[30Duck]

Day is a great recruiter, he has NFL talent across the board, and a great record, except in the games that really matter. osu2 is coming up short in these; where that talent isn't enough, when Day has to outcoach the guy on the other side. He didn't against Lanning or against first year coach, Moore, at Michigan. 

[Dave23]

On 12/4/2024 at 10:11 AM, Mike West said:

Last time I checked, Saban and Kirby has NFLesque teams, so they didn't have to be perfect, they just had to breathe and they'd win.

The real question is did the coach make the team or the team make the coach? As Mario showed us you can have a top level NFL QB but if you don't use them right or coach them right you're not going anywhere.

[Mike West]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:24 AM, 30Duck said:

Day is a great recruiter, he has NFL talent across the board, and a great record, except in the games that really matter. osu2 is coming up short in these; where that talent isn't enough, when Day has to outcoach the guy on the other side. He didn't against Lanning or against first year coach, Moore, at Michigan. 

You're correct.  But the season isn't over yet.

 

And I'll tell you this, I'd be damn fine with losing to Washington four times if we win the Natty that same year.

 

But that's just me.  Losing a regular season game doesn't mean a damn thing if you get it together and with the  damn title.

 

Ryan Day can shut a hell of a lot of people up if he just focuses on what it will take to get his offense to outscore teams.  And quite frankly, Will Howard is more talented than Darin Thomas.  He doesn't even need to hit a haymaker, they just need to have that threat.

 

Ohio State has a better mid-range passing game than OBD does.  That's saying a lot.  They have a better mid-range game that Washington and Texas had last year.

 

Worse, Howard can run.  He's actually a spiiting image of DG, just not as "money".  Yet.

 

All it takes, and Ohio State has time right now, is to determine the ten to fifteen plays Howard can perfect, and perform consistently enough to be unstoppable.  That's possible.  They already have four or five such plays. 

 

Ohio State is more dangerous than Georgia on offense, and they're more consistent on defense.

 

Say what you like, but every dog has his day.  Especially when he's got time to find a million ways to get his receivers the ball.  I fear Ohio State way more than everyone else.

 

The rest of the field has limits.  All of them.  Including Alabama ( I think they're in).  Ohio State's possibilities are infinite.

[Mike West]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:47 AM, Dave23 said:

The real question is did the coach make the team or the team make the coach? As Mario showed us you can have a top level NFL QB but if you don't use them right or coach them right you're not going anywhere.

I don't think Cam Ward is a top level QB.  He will face narrower windows than In college, and he will struggle.

 

Miami made Florida look like a high school team and everyone drooled.  They wouldn't stay within ten against the Gators now.  

 

Ward would have lost four games in the SEC.  And scored much less at that.  

 

I like Ward.  He isn't going to thrive in the NFL.  He's the perfect college QB.  Until he faces elite defenses.

[Jon Joseph]

 

On 12/4/2024 at 12:47 PM, Dave23 said:

The real question is did the coach make the team or the team make the coach? As Mario showed us you can have a top level NFL QB but if you don't use them right or coach them right you're not going anywhere.

 

It's always been about and always will be about the Jimmies and the Joes. Every great football coach worth his salt knows this and knows so much of college football is having the right guys via recruiting and the portal today, the top coaches meld the top players to play team ball. Mike Norvell did it last season and not this season. 

 

After Georgia plucked the Ducks in Atlanta what did Kirby Smart say: Dan is going to be just fine, he knows we have the better players. 

 

Kirby lost game after game to Nick Saban and Bama. The Georgia fans were not happy with this but after justifiably calling for Mark Richt to be run off the sane and not the zany UGA fans understood that Kirby would get it done. Kirby finally beat Bama in the most impressive manner possible, defeating Saint Nick for a Natty. And but for a Tua walk-off heave, he would have won one earlier vs. Bama. 

 

Ryan Day has an albatross around his neck in the form of a Wolverine. STUFF happens. If tOSU plays and takes care of the Vols in Columbus, I'm not certain which team in a rematch with OBD would be favored. I do know that if OBD plays well and nevertheless loses to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl, I'm not calling for Dan's head. Losing 3 in a row to UWhoo hurt but OBD fans with a clue didn't want Dan canned.

 

PLASTER PENN STATE!

[30Duck]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:56 AM, Mike West said:

Especially when he's got time to find a million ways to get his receivers the ball.  I fear Ohio State way more than everyone else.

Maybe he'll have the time. But all of the other facts that you stated and I agree with, go for Day being a great recruiter, where the talent overwhelms most of the teams on the schedule. But when he's up against teams with close to the talent. Day doesn't have it. 

 

All season we've seen Lanning making coaching moves, including against Day and Ohio State. Saban pulled Hurts and put in Tua. Day didn't do anything while losing to Michigan, when he had a huge talent advantage.