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Oregon isn't being built from the ground up...its essentially the same situation that you stated regarding Riley when he took over OU.  Oregon is already on the cusp of playing for a natty....the only missing pieces were a QB that wasn't probably the worst in the nation, and a HC that could maximize the talent they amassed. 

 

I think the QB to reach the natty has been sitting on the bench all season and I think Dan Lanning could be the guy that can maximize the talent on the roster.  If so, we will be in the playoffs in short order.

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On 12/11/2021 at 6:02 PM, Warrenton said:

Chip Kelly would disagree.

How so?

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On 12/11/2021 at 5:54 PM, Warrenton said:

The great head coaches

 

 Neither Luke Fickell or Matt Campbell had head coach experience before being hired at Cincinnati or Iowa State.

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On 12/11/2021 at 5:54 PM, Warrenton said:

The great head coaches of this era -- Saban, Meyer, etc. -- went to small schools to learn to become good HCs before winning natties for big programs.

 

Meyer coached at Ball St. and Saban at Toldeo for example. Going from assistant straight to a big-time program -- not only running it but rebuilding it from the ground up -- is a very tall order. The odds are against this guy.

All this is true, good facts Warrenton !!

 

But I wish you wouldn’t have said it, I’m starting to worry about the hire now.

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On 12/11/2021 at 5:54 PM, Warrenton said:

The great head coaches of this era -- Saban, Meyer, etc. -- went to small schools to learn to become good HCs before winning natties for big programs.

 

Meyer coached at Ball St. and Saban at Toldeo for example. Going from assistant straight to a big-time program -- not only running it but rebuilding it from the ground up -- is a very tall order. The odds are against this guy.

 

Rebuilding from the ground up? Absolutely not. This is Oregon, not Arizona. Oregon is loaded with talent and is coming off a double digit win season. This is no 2-10 program. 

 

And again, plenty of coaches do just fine, such as Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day.

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On 12/11/2021 at 7:04 PM, DrJacksPlaidPants said:

Really? That’s weird. His first HC job was at Oregon.

My mistake, I thought Chip had been the HC at New Hampshire. But like Riley, Chip took over at Oregon already an assistant here with the culture and system in place. He didn't need to rebuild.

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On 12/11/2021 at 5:37 PM, Warrenton said:

He's never been in charge of anything. Plenty of assistants kill it at that level but are a joke when they're in charge of a large operation.

I would argue that being in charge of the Georgia Defense had more responsibilities and pressure than 95% of assistants out there. I think he is in a rare class. Yes, he is young, but he is going on 11 years of various roles and working with some of the best Coaches and Programs in college football.

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Head coaching experience doesn’t matter. Like somebody stated earlier this week. Oregon has had 5 different coaches since 1994 and only 2 losing seasons. 

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On 12/11/2021 at 7:07 PM, Darren Perkins said:

 

Rebuilding from the ground up? Absolutely not. This is Oregon, not Arizona. Oregon is loaded with talent and is coming off a double digit win season. This is no 2-10 program. 

 

And again, plenty of coaches do just fine, such as Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day.

It all depends on what type of system and what type of offense Lanning's going to want to run.

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On 12/11/2021 at 7:09 PM, DrJacksPlaidPants said:

Head coaching experience doesn’t matter. Like somebody stated earlier this week. Oregon has had 5 different coaches since 1994 and only 2 losing seasons. 

Head coaches absolutely matter. A bad head coach can set a program back for years, even big-time blueblood programs. Look what happened to USC after Carroll left.

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On 12/11/2021 at 9:12 PM, Warrenton said:

Head coaches absolutely matter. A bad head coach can set a program back for years, even big-time blueblood programs. Look what happened to USC after Carroll left.

I get what you’re saying, but Belotti’s first HC job was at Oregon and he’s in the NCAA HOF. Chip’s first HC job was at Oregon and he went to 4 BCS bowls in a row to include a NC game. Helfrich’s first HC job was at Oregon and he won a Rose Bowl and went to the NC game. Granted, Helfrich was fired for sucking.


Sometimes the institutional leadership helps the coach to succeed. Pat Haden was the reason USC failed. Not the departure of Pete. Mullens saw the writing on the wall with Helfrich and fired him with a winning record. His hires may not have stuck around but the Ducks went to a bowl every year since Mullens fired Helfrich.

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On 12/11/2021 at 5:35 PM, Warrenton said:

Luke Fickell

He's not leaving Cincinnati... He made the playoff and even if he was interested he wouldn't leave his team till after the playoff... We can't wait that long. 

 

Yes... I know Lanning will coach the playoff game but there is a big difference from being a DC and leaving and a head coach and leaving whole still trying to coach. 

 

Also Cinci is going to the big-12 soon... The job gets a bit better. 

 

Fickle was never going to be an option. You are in your right to not like the hire but we were never getting Fickle. 

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Who would you have hired?

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On 12/11/2021 at 8:34 PM, duck023 said:

The fact that he is so young and went up through the coaching rankings so quickly tells me this guy is good. Kirby Smart wanted him as his right hand man so that is good enough for me.

Coming in peace from TN. As we're not rivals, I hope that's okay. Mods may delete me, as you see fit.

 

Lanning is a good recruiter and runs a very, very firm defense. As a HC? Who knows but he's done very well at GA. I wish him and Oregon well.

 

My concern is him not coming immediately to Oregon. I don't know the terms of when he's starting in Eugene but what I'm seeing in the south is that he'll coach in the playoffs for GA.

 

That's concerning from a recruiting standpoint (and, honestly, a coaching standpoint for GA) that he's letting Oregon down by not getting on the recruiting trail ASAP. A new coach, from a different conference needs to be there. I'm sure GA recruits heavily nationwide and he probably has some good relationships but it feels odd that he won't be fully available until after the championship (assuming GA beats MI.)

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Im ready to reserve judgement until mid way through next season- until then hes just some guy.

Im from the same state hes from -THE SHOW ME STATE.

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On 12/11/2021 at 7:38 PM, eVOLed said:

Coming in peace from TN. As we're not rivals, I hope that's okay. Mods may delete me, as you see fit.

 

Lanning is a good recruiter and runs a very, very firm defense. As a HC? Who knows but he's done very well at GA. I wish him and Oregon well.

 

My concern is him not coming immediately to Oregon. I don't know the terms of when he's starting in Eugene but what I'm seeing in the south is that he'll coach in the playoffs for GA.

 

That's concerning from a recruiting standpoint (and, honestly, a coaching standpoint for GA) that he's letting Oregon down by not getting on the recruiting trail ASAP. A new coach, from a different conference needs to be there. I'm sure GA recruits heavily nationwide and he probably has some good relationships but it feels odd that he won't be fully available until after the championship (assuming GA beats MI.)

Good post. I'm sure there will also be some more guys jump into the portal after this like Noah.

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On 12/11/2021 at 7:33 PM, David Marsh said:

He's not leaving Cincinnati... He made the playoff and even if he was interested he wouldn't leave his team till after the playoff... We can't wait that long. 

 

Yes... I know Lanning will coach the playoff game but there is a big difference from being a DC and leaving and a head coach and leaving whole still trying to coach. 

 

Also Cinci is going to the big-12 soon... The job gets a bit better. 

 

Fickle was never going to be an option. You are in your right to not like the hire but we were never getting Fickle. 

Cincy about to get beat by Alabama though. That's going to make a coach like Fickel do some thinking.

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On 12/11/2021 at 8:47 PM, 30Duck said:

 

 I don't think the Ducks had a chance at getting Fickell, and I'm less nervous about where Lanning will have the Ducks in the next couple of years than I would be had Oregon hired an experienced coach such as Brian Harsin or Justin Wilcox. 

 

Is there anyone out there better prepared to lead the Ducks vs UGA in Atlanta next season? He comes from the toughest conference in America and he is a heck of a recruiter. Fickell was never going to leave Ohio for Oregon; especially, when Cincy is now in the B12. 

 

The Pac-12 is 2 for 8 in the playoff. The Pac-12 has only 6 bowl eligible teams. The Pac-12 was killed OOC last season. The Pac-12 is saddled with a functionally insolvent network. Oregon is a very good but not an elite/blue blood coaching job. Elite facilities? Yes. But how many 4 and 5 star recruits does the state of Oregon produce every season? And frankly over Mario's tenure for the most part we were treated to pedestrian, play down to the level of your opponent, boring football. Not the flash and dash brand that took Oregon and NIKE a lot of time and money to build. 

 

We will of course see if he is up to the task? But I think this was a bold and correct hire.

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On 12/11/2021 at 6:44 PM, Warrenton said:

Good post. I'm sure there will also be some more guys jump into the portal after this like Noah.

 

Noah?  He almost went to Georgia after being recruited by Dan.  Last night his dad said they like Dan and would be happy if he was hired at Oregon.

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On 12/11/2021 at 6:38 PM, eVOLed said:

that he's letting Oregon down by not getting on the recruiting trail ASAP

 

He has been announced as the hire but I don't think he will be officially hired until Monday. I am sure he will be recruiting, making calls and doing some visits. 

 

Only one week until signing day and he can make use of that week recruiting. Then he goes and coaches for game prep... Then for the second signing period he is all Oregon. 

 

Not ideal but he could certainly make it work. I am also sure that Mullens and Knight already talked about this with him and they have a plan. 

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On 12/11/2021 at 9:46 PM, Warrenton said:

Cincy about to get beat by Alabama though. That's going to make a coach like Fickel do some thinking.

 

Fickell is headed to the 'new B12' which at the close of 2021, is a better conference in both football and basketball than is the Pac-12. IMO not expanding and wiping out the B12 was a terrible business decision on the part of the conference. I do not view this hire in the same vein.

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On 12/11/2021 at 7:48 PM, Jon Joseph said:

 

Is there anyone out there better prepared to lead the Ducks vs UGA in Atlanta next season? He comes from the toughest conference in America and he is a heck of a recruiter. Fickell was never going to leave Ohio for Oregon; especially, when Cincy is now in the B12. 

 

The Pac-12 is 2 for 8 in the playoff. The Pac-12 has only 6 bowl eligible teams. The Pac-12 was killed OOC last season. The Pac-12 is saddled with a functionally insolvent network. Oregon is a very good but not an elite/blue blood coaching job. Elite facilities? Yes. But how many 4 and 5 star recruits does the state of Oregon produce every season? And frankly over Mario's tenure for the most part we were treated to pedestrian, play down to the level of your opponent, boring football. Not the flash and dash brand that took Oregon and NIKE a lot of time and money to build. 

 

We will of course see if he is up to the task? But I think this was a bold and correct hire.

An HC hire can't be about one game, especially an OOC game. Also, the Big 12 is losing Texas and Oklahoma so it's basically morphing into a glorified G5 league. The PAC-12 will be a lot more attractive moving forward than the Big 12. There's isn't a school in the Big 12 that wouldn't jump on it in a second if the PAC-12 invited them. The PAC unlikely to invite any of those schools, however, because they don't bring much to the table and they're garbage academically.

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The Recruiting thing is no biggie. Lanning was hired to REBUILD the team over a period of time. The Utah loss left a sour taste in PKs mouth.

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Actively coaching in the playoffs sounds like a great way to bring in recruits to me.

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On 12/11/2021 at 6:46 PM, Warrenton said:

Cincy about to get beat by Alabama though. That's going to make a coach like Fickel do some thinking.

Yeah.. he may leave at the end of the season or more likely next season. 

 

But he didn't even entertain jobs most people would consider better than Oregon. Just this year Notre Dame, Oklahoma, LSU, USC, and Florida were all open... He didn't even consider any of those. Last year Texas was available and he didn't even consider it. 

 

He is another mid west or east coast guy... All those jobs are more interesting than Oregon.

 

He may change his interest after what happens with the playoff... He did also lose to Georgia last year in a bowl game and that was a meh Georgia team. 

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