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Mr. FishDuck: Explosion Plays, Fast-Tempo, 80+ Plays…Do You Believe It?

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On 5/6/2022 at 11:55 AM, Haywarduck said:

I do mean what I wrote, if you watched Pre run live, and also saw the Kamikaze Kids at the time, you were forever changed!

I agree with you. They were and still are inspiring.

 

I think a lot of that started at UO with men like Len Casanova and Bill Bowerman and the principles they adhered to while coaching that carried on through life. My dad desperately wanted to play football but was unable to due to having contracted polio at age 14. Still, he was a big Duck Football fan and struck up a relationship with Casanova. He mentored many even though some never played. 

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On 5/6/2022 at 12:03 PM, DimpleDucks said:

I agree with you. They were and still are inspiring.

 

I think a lot of that started at UO with men like Len Casanova and Bill Bowerman and the principles they adhered to while coaching that carried on through life. My dad desperately wanted to play football but was unable to due to having contracted polio at age 14. Still, he was a big Duck Football fan and struck up a relationship with Casanova. He mentored many even though some never played. 

Great point, these men brought in like minded young minds and those minds were nurtured into forces of nature. I think the whole background of Oregon Athletics and what make the Athletic Department and Oregon Sports special is a fascinating topic.

 

Agree they were and still are inspiring, as long as the Athletic Department stays true to what made it great. I think we have gotten back to those basic foundational principles with Coach Lanning, finally!

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On 5/6/2022 at 12:02 PM, Jon Joseph said:

BTW, I'd rather run fewer than 80 plays as the result of 'sudden strike' scores. I see '80 plays' as being far more euphemistic than literal.

I agree.  I believe Dillingham said pro-style offense that plays fast.  He wants where this offense aims to snap the ball over 80 times per game, but he said he wanted to enhance the amount of opportunities for its playmakers to do just that — make plays.  I think he was also saying they want to be efficient in their plays, getting as many explosives plays as possible, but not necessarily have to get 80 plays off per game to reach the goal of the amount scores they need. 

 

He said.."We want to get people touches. We want to be explosive," he explained. "It’s a system built around our players to create the best matchups and we want to do that at a rapid pace. We want to snap the ball as many times as we can because we want to get those guys as many touches as possible." Versatility, potentially opening the door for a more varied scheme.  

 

With this brand of offense with a DL defense, will be fun to watch!  Go Ducks!!

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On 5/6/2022 at 10:00 AM, Jon Joseph said:

I want to believe that back in the day I could have scored a date with the red head? But that is no doubt beyond belief.

I saw her once in Oregon.  🤩  That drool never did wash out of my shirt.

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On 5/6/2022 at 12:37 PM, NJDuck said:

He said.."We want to get people touches. We want to be explosive," he explained. "It’s a system built around our players to create the best matchups and we want to do that at a rapid pace. We want to snap the ball as many times as we can because we want to get those guys as many touches as possible." Versatility, potentially opening the door for a more varied scheme.  

If....if he actually does it and the HC lets him.  After getting burned with Mari (I don't include it because he doesn't know what to do with the "O") I am more inclined to believe it when I see it.

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Spot on Sir Charles.  How can anyone with a brain roast you for that opinion?  I guess it's like a lot of what we see in the world today, people apparently don't want truth.  As much as I love my Ducks and want to see an exciting offense outscore all opponents on the way to 15-0 this season, we'll see what we see and get what we get.  Hopefully it's 46.7 ppg or more, with a fierce defense.  Nothing wrong with pointing out how the last coach was a flake.

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So many different thoughts brought on by all of the different posts. I had my take of the explosive offense as something that occurred at a time  when no one else was doing it. Things changed and pretty soon every one was. But with better players. Then CK left we were ok until Mariota and most of CKs players left. Then we went into a downturn. I don't remember much of the Taggert year but it's stated above lot of points were scored but if I remember correctly we were 7/5. That's not good enough especially after the CK years. 

 

Then MC came said all those words and promises to us. He started recruiting and low and behold he started getting a lot of talent but it was mostly D not O. This is why I believe he became a ball control coach. Especially being a OL himself. And we did win as was stated above his is the 2nd best HC record behind CK. Here comes the rub. It was an excrement type of ball to watch.  I also believe except for maybe Stanford it's not something West Coast players excel at. See what happened at Stanford. They had success for awhile with pound your face ball but now are more air it out to try and compete. This is with B Shaw still as coach. 

 

FB is like any other game. You try something new it works your opponent reacts then u have to change or lose. Back and forth it goes.

 

I truly believe MC thought he was changing the style of CFB back and would be successful. I will also state after this last year his in game coaching, philosophy and personality grind on players and coaches rather than inspiring them causing everyone to burn out.

 

Then after reading Haywards post. I got to say I believe his take on all we need from DL, staff and team is give it your all, walk the walk don't just talk the talk and embrace the ways of CKs teams, Kamakasi Kids and Prefontaine. As Hayward puts it the Oregon Way!!!! Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense or is typed wrong. I'm a pretty tired old greybeard.

 

 

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On 5/6/2022 at 3:41 PM, Charles Fischer said:

If....if he actually does it and the HC lets him.  After getting burned with Mari (I don't include it because he doesn't know what to do with the "O") I am more inclined to believe it when I see it.

I agree with you about MC saying what he was going to produce on the O side and never did.  I also agree with your article.  As the old saying goes "The proof is in the pudding"  But sure am hoping what they are saying becomes real on the grid iron.

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I remember on a few forums being called chicken little because of my opinion on Mari--where's the O? Cristobal. I figured if a football hack like me could identify what the play was then so could a decent coach.

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On 5/6/2022 at 2:05 AM, FishDuck Article said:

Some may not like the questions I am asking, but considering what happened before--isn't it reasonable?  I would love your input...

 
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For many of us fans of the original Oregon Spread Offense under Coaches Mike Bellotti, Chip Kelly and Mark Helfrich, the excitement is palpable about the...

That is unfortunate about people talking smack about your assumptions with regarding Mario's biased hate for throwing the ball down the field. I appreciate your knowledge of the game and would never say anything to the contrary about your obvious knowledge and I'm sure everybody on here does the same. As far as believing Lanning I believe because he planned the D in that Title game that won the game because lets be honest their QB to me never did install to much confidence behind center.

 

So to me it was that Defensive game plan that brought back the Title to Georgia not the offense. So I also believe that Lanning is a whole lot smarter than Mario is to letting his coaches do their magic to their specific specialty because he gets the point that it's all the parts that will make this Ducks team succeed and why wouldn't you want your offense scoring boat loads of points if they are indeed capable of suck success. I believe and thank you Mario for the players he did bring in on offense that obviously weren't being used properly.

 

Also when you recruit top players you need to be true to your word because it wont take long for your word to prove true in the long run. So if Dan the Man does indeed he can bring a Championship to Oregon then he has to bring it on the field to get the best players and the best players want to play with the best opposite them and they want to score points and have that offense " Showcase " their abilities. So I'd believe Mr Lanning Charles because he believe's it.

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On 5/6/2022 at 1:51 PM, Duck 1972 said:

I don't remember much of the Taggert year but it's stated above lot of points were scored but if I remember correctly we were 7/5. That's not good enough especially after the CK years.

Herbert was injured, and out, for 5 games that season.

 

Under the fearless leadership of Braxton Burmeister under center, the Ducks went 1-4 over that 5-game stretch.

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IMO, we could have had a National Championship if Kelly hadn't tried a couple of times (once on 4th and goal  and once with FG) to run his small backs between tackles against Auburn.

Mario and Kelly were both ego driven, Kelly thought he could pound the gut on a SEC team that was built around goal line d. Mario as an offensive lineman wanted to prove he could dominate the line of scrimmage on offense.

 

Dillingham will also have something to prove, and put his signature on the O, and Lanning will want him to keep the defense off the field as much as possible.

Im thinking the offense will be cranked up like we haven't seen in a few years.

 

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On 5/6/2022 at 5:52 PM, Duckhart said:

Dillingham will also have something to prove

You make a good point as Dillingham wants to make his case by scoring, and not by "being tough?"

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No, 80 plays is utterly unrealistic.  
 

At the same time, I don’t really believe anyone on the staff thinks otherwise.  It is an aspirational metric.  I suspect the true KPI is in the 60s

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Great article Charles, with valid ponder points indeed. Remember coach Lanning said to judge them by what they do, not what they say. From the spring game my eyes told me that they want to be fast but efficient, explosive yet calculated, and overall exciting. None of the coaches strike me as the "Let's do it in the spring, but not in the season" type of guys. So far I believe my eyes, it's just coincidence my ears heard the same thing.

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On 5/7/2022 at 1:00 PM, Gizmoduck said:

Remember coach Lanning said to judge them by what they do, not what they say.

GREAT POINT.

 

Now either he is an inexperienced coach who just leaned out too far over this skis, or he will cement the trust of the fans when we see an exciting offense on the field in 2022.

 

I'm hoping for the latter...

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I'm not invested in the number of plays per game so much as the scoring average and consistency.  If Dillingham's offense averages 38+ ppg  and doesn't vary too much from game to game in this first season, that's a big step in the right direction.

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I enjoyed the article, but I don't think that taking what he's said with at least a grain or two of salt is anything radical to suggest - other than to the most rabid and hopeful fans. I certainly have been that rabid fan from time to time in my life, and I think it's something all of us can relate to!

 

I hope that what he's been saying works out not only in intention and scheme, but also in practice on the field and brings great success. But, there is just no way to know until the season begins and we watch how things develop over the course of this season and the next few.

 

I will admit that privately I have been less enthusiastic than some of the OBD forum commentary, just because I already had that 'talk is cheap, whiskey costs money' attitude from the time he was hired, and I do think that many if not most of us feel somewhat similarly. So far, what I've heard and seen looks positive, and I am very hopeful that it continues as his tenure goes forward. We will see, though.

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I think it’s possible that they reach the goal of 80 plays per game. I definitely think tempo will be a key part of the offense, as it has been stretching back to Gus Malzahn. 
 

I think the important thing is alway efficiency. Does the offense score in 12 plays or 6. If they score, they score. If they play efficiently on offense and they score big points in half the goal plays, I don’t think anyone will care all that much. 

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