So Ferguson Had to Leave the Game, and it was NOT Targeting?

[Charles Fischer]

Terrance might have a concussion, and not even a review of targeting? 

 

Gabriel in his face...

 

 

[Utki]

I am confused how a forearm to the head isn't something to review.  Also whenever a player does the shrug/who me after a play that is usually a good sign they did something weasley.

[noDucknewby]

That was good to see.  Plenty of times other offensive players have words when the QB gets a cheap shot, nice the QB has his guy's back as well.  Sends a pretty good leadership message.

 

While it may not have met the legal definition of targeting, I know a cheap shot when I see it.

[KCDuck1]

OBD Fans,

 

In slow-motion that was targeting - forearm to helmet is a cheap shot, and the intent of that penalty is to prevent helmet-to-helmet collisions AND head injuries. Perhaps the Back Judge did not see it because it happened so fast, but that was where the ball was thrown. So, one of the officials must have seen it. Or, is this more B1G home cooking, but just on the West Coast? Still, maybe I ought to just wish the defender is out for 6 weeks with a fracture.

 

Really, there was no excuse for that. Don't want to wish bad things on players, but that tackle/battery ought to be addressed to the B1G Chief of officials, and the Commissioner.

 

VR,

KCDuck1

Edited September 29 by KCDuck1
Re-stated a sentence to simplify the statement.

[David Marsh]

On 9/29/2024 at 11:52 AM, KCDuck1 said:

In slow-motion that was targeting. Perhaps the Back Judge did not see it because it happened so fast, but that was where the ball was thrown. So, one of the officials must have seen it. Or, is this more B1G home cooking, but just on the West Coast. Still, ... .

 

VR,

KCDuck1

Targeting can be called from the booth as a replay foul. So it doesn't need to be called on the field during the course of play.

 

So the refs and the booth refs failed big time on this one. 

[David Marsh]

Two things I'd like to note about this event. 

 

1. I think Gabriel has really bonded with his team now. He needed to be held back by Tez. He was livid with that play. 

 

Later on when Holdrn was horse collared he was again livid with the Bruin's dirty play. 

 

Also quick note ... Even though Addison was on last year's team he left before Gabriel joined. So for Addison this game was taking it to his former team but Gabriel doesn't have any past history with Addison as he was gone before Gabriel was in Eugene. 

 

2. Targeting penalties are often not about player safety but the show of player safety. I wrote this article a few years ago and I still feel that the sport isn't actually addressing player safety when it comes to targeting. 

 

It's all for show... If they were serious about player safety there would be a lot more measures in place when we see hits like that. 

 

The Targeting Rule is Not About Player Safety | FishDuck

FISHDUCK.COM

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The NCAA recently announced changes to the targeting rule. These changes are not yet in effect, but there will be a vote in April to adopt these proposals.

 

 

[Wood Duck]

What bothered me most was the fact that Addison just walked away and didn't seem concerned at all about Ferguson.

Pretty low class move.

[OregonDucks]

I may be in the minority but I think it was a good no call. The defensive back was going for the ball and it looked like an inadvertent collision.

 

That said, I didn't like the UCLA defensive back's reaction when a player is down, clearly injured and UCLA's defense was playing dirty all night.

Edited September 29 by OregonDucks

[cartm25]

On 9/29/2024 at 1:22 PM, OregonDucks said:

I may be in the minority but I think it was a good no call. The defensive back was going for the ball and it looked like an inadvertent collision.

 

That said, I didn't like the UCLA defensive back's reaction when a player is down, clearly injured and UCLA's defense was playing dirty all night.

I was going to post something, but you took the words right out of my mouth.

[David Marsh]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:22 PM, OregonDucks said:

I may be in the minority but I think it was a good no call. The defensive back was going for the ball and it looked like an inadvertent collision.

I think it should have been called and reviewed. 

 

If it was not there in the review then fine. I'm more concerned about the on going theater of safety than the sport taking actual action in safety. 

[Massduck]

I agree that it looked like the old Mora coached UCLA teams: dirty and chippy

[DrJacksPlaidPants]

That was forcible contact to the head and neck area. It should’ve been reviewed at the very least. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to let the B1G go back and review these types of plays for possible retroactive suspension. Especially if they are egregious in nature.

[Drake]

That is a scary collision. TFerg was knocked out cold.

 

My understanding of the rule is that a vulnerable receiver in the air going for the ball cannot by lambasted in the head or neck area. The hit does not have to be with the crown of the helmet. 
 

Not a “good” no call. 

[woundedknees]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:41 PM, David Marsh said:

I think it should have been called and reviewed. 

 

If it was not there in the review then fine. I'm more concerned about the on going theater of safety than the sport taking actual action in safety. 

Addison's reaction was the epitome of 'unsportsman-like conduct'...

[DanLduck]

UCLA did play chippy all night. Some play was worse than others.

 

It is very disconcerting when a player lays a big hit and the player appears injured, to see any type of celebration.

Not a good move by Addison. 

And no reason for "revenge" or proving anything, he's the one who left!

 

Anyway, karma may have bitten him back as he suffered what appears to be a knee injury later in the game and didn't return.

 

Good for Dillon to stand up to bullies.

Next time he should bring an O-lineman with him.

[1Ducker1]

I have no respect for Addison or anything UCLA after the hit to TF. Mostly due to the after play reaction. I hope UCLA loses every game this season.

[OregonDucks]

On 9/29/2024 at 4:40 PM, 1Ducker1 said:

I have no respect for Addison or anything UCLA after the hit to TF. Mostly due to the after play reaction. I hope UCLA loses every game this season.

 

UCLA defenders were also grabbing and holding onto receiver's legs after the play. One when Tez was down and the other one where Holden had to kick to get his leg back. Not sure what they are teaching or instructing down at UCLA. Glad none of the wide receivers were injured.

[David Marsh]

On 9/29/2024 at 2:46 PM, OregonDucks said:

 

UCLA defenders were also grabbing and holding onto receiver's legs after the play. One when Tez was down and the other one where Holden had to kick to get his leg back. Not sure what they are teaching or instructing down at UCLA. Glad none of the wide receivers were injured.

I think it was less about how they are teaching it and now that those players are pissed they are getting thumped so bad week after week. 

 

That coaching staff needs to instruct better emotional responses to things. 

 

There some late hits out of bounds too I thought should have been flagged. 

 

They were lucky with as few of flags as they got on the whole. 

[30Duck]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:03 PM, David Marsh said:

He was livid with that play. 

 

Later on when Holdrn was horse collared he was again livid with the Bruin's dirty play. 

 

Also quick note ... Even though Addison was on last year's team he left before Gabriel joined. So for Addison this game was taking it to his former team

That was some "aggressive" though completely ineffective defense by the Bruins. Once a Duck, but no longer, Addison, was very pleased with taking his Pick-6, he even held on to the ball.

[woundedknees]

On 9/29/2024 at 2:54 PM, David Marsh said:

I think it was less about how they are teaching it and now that those players are pissed they are getting thumped so bad week after week. 

 

That coaching staff needs to instruct better emotional responses to things. 

 

There some late hits out of bounds too I thought should have been flagged. 

 

They were lucky with as few of flags as they got on the whole. 

One of the late hits was after a Ferguson reception in the endzone, and when the incident with Tez on the ground happened, the DB gave a significant twist to TJ's leg, before releasing it. SMH

[Desert Duck]

On 9/29/2024 at 2:01 PM, woundedknees said:

Addison's reaction was the epitome of 'unsportsman-like conduct'...

100%. I think it definitely was a targeting call, but at a minimum, Addison should have been called for unsportsmanlike conduct following his horrendous hit. 

 

His gloating over Ferguson was beyond disgusting. Absolutely loved Dillon's reaction. 

 

UCLA played a lot of cheap shot, and dangerous, football.

Edited September 30 by Desert Duck

[Mudslide]

Addison left the hit on Terrance smiling and laughing.  Karma?  You bet.  He was hurting plenty when he went out of the game with a painful leg injury.  He couldn't walk after hopping one-legged off the field.

 

And after the dirty play on Tez, Wallace pushed Holden in the face!  I love it when Traeshon game full speed running after Tez's TD and blasted Wallace in the shoulder (ostensibly on the way to congratulate Tez).  Ha, last seen, Wallace was crying to the refs about an illegal hit.  Yeah, there was a lot of dirty play by UCKLA.  Here is hoping the B1G officials take a look at the game.

 

And I hope Terrance heals fast.  

Edited September 30 by Mudslide

[30Duck]

On 9/29/2024 at 2:54 PM, David Marsh said:

I think it was less about how they are teaching it and now that those players are pissed they are getting thumped so bad week after week. 

UCLA could compete in the Scrap ll

[David Marsh]

On 9/29/2024 at 8:36 PM, 30Duck said:

UCLA could compete in the Scrap ll

And according to my power rankings... 

 

They'd still be close to the bottom. 

[WaterPoloDuck]

I think the dirty and cheap play by UCLA is why we had a muted second half. I think coach DL was trying to just get everyone out of there safely without injuries and being cautious and vanilla. He just trusted in the defense to keep it up. 

[30Duck]

On 9/29/2024 at 8:46 PM, David Marsh said:

And according to my power rankings... 

 

They'd still be close to the bottom

Absolutely. UCLA didn't come to the B1G due of their football proficiency they came because of their proximity to USC, and their basketball and softball teams. 

[Mike West]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:22 PM, OregonDucks said:

I may be in the minority but I think it was a good no call. The defensive back was going for the ball and it looked like an inadvertent collision.

 

That said, I didn't like the UCLA defensive back's reaction when a player is down, clearly injured and UCLA's defense was playing dirty all night.

I thought the same thing at the time.  I actually don't think it was intentional at all.  He could have just laid Ferguson out, and he surely could have.

 

Shrugging his shoulders at a former teammate is lame.  Ferguson was clearly injured, and he walked away like it was nothing. 

 

The zoom replay is a better look.  He clearly was trying to break the pass up. The one FishDuck posted looks more intentional.  

 

 

[Charles Fischer]

On 9/30/2024 at 6:33 AM, 30Duck said:

Absolutely. UCLA didn't come to the B1G due of their football proficiency they came because of their proximity to USC, and their basketball and softball teams. 

The school with the most NCAA championships in all sports is Stanford with 136, but UCLA is No. 2 with 123, while Oregon is No. 15 with 34. The Bruins do bring a ton in non-revenue sports, as it seems they are winning a volleyball or water-polo championship every other year.

 

They, like Oregon, are going to bring some new competitiveness to the B1G in a number of sports, but not football...yet.

 

[Haywarduck]

Talking about safety, it is telling that a targeting penalty can be reviewed after the game to nullify it, but not to enforce it. If safety was the NCAA priority they would also review targeting and penalize after the fact.

 

This is the perfect type of play to review and potentially penalize a player. The incompetent, and devoid of integrity NCAA continues underwhelm!

 

Agree the Ferguson play may have led to Lanning's slowing down the Oregon train, because the system the NCAA has in place certainly won't protect players from players like Addison and teams like UCLA.

[Steven A]

On 9/30/2024 at 7:07 AM, Mike West said:

I thought the same thing at the time.  I actually don't think it was intentional at all.  He could have just laid Ferguson out, and he surely could have.

 

Shrugging his shoulders at a former teammate is lame.  Ferguson was clearly injured, and he walked away like it was nothing. 

 

Agreed.  Plus, I think targeting can be reviewed after the game both for the one half suspension and to waive it.

[DanLduck]

Because of the chippiness of the game, I think it was smart not to play Dante Moore. No need to risk injury with a cheap shot.

Plus, Novosad has earned playing time.

[DuckFan93]

This is good news!

 

No. 8 Oregon football tight end Terrance Ferguson ‘doing well’ after leaving UCLA game due to injury

WWW.OREGONLIVE.COM

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Ferguson, who had an 18-yard catch earlier in the half, was evaluated for a head injury and will not return to tonight’s game, according to Fox’s Josh Sims.

 

[Solar]

On 9/30/2024 at 10:50 AM, DanLduck said:

Because of the chippiness of the game, I think it was smart not to play Dante Moore. No need to risk injury with a cheap shot.

Plus, Novosad has earned playing time.

I was thinking the same thing as we got into garbage time. Don't put Moore on the field. To DL's credit he didn't.

[Solar]

On 9/30/2024 at 7:07 AM, Mike West said:

I thought the same thing at the time.  I actually don't think it was intentional at all.  He could have just laid Ferguson out, and he surely could have.

 

Shrugging his shoulders at a former teammate is lame.  Ferguson was clearly injured, and he walked away like it was nothing. 

 

The zoom replay is a better look.  He clearly was trying to break the pass up. The one FishDuck posted looks more intentional.  

 

 

I'm confused. As a former player of many sports, I can say nearly every penalty I ever got was unintentional. It's not the point.

 

It's not like there is Targeting in the 1st Degree, vs Targeting in the second degree.

 

We had a defenseless player get knock out cold while airborne and the B1G just told the conference that is still a legal scenario.

 

And my understanding is "forceable contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player is one of the definitions of Targeting, so that should have been called Targeting.There is no statement of intent included. It's not supposed to be a consideration.

[Solar]

Lastly, outside of a brawl/melee, I've never seen a single player get 3 personal fouls committed against them in 3 seconds before. The defender face masked Holden, horse collared him, and then another defender open hand punched him in the face celebrating the fumble that wasn't.

 

The refs should have called all 3 to get the point across, and technically could have enforced 2 of them, with face punch occurring after the play was actually over with the tackle.

[MrBrooks]

NCAA Championships    The link below is very illuminating, at least for me.  Not that the Ducks are on the list at 15th, BUT the Fuskies are nowhere in the top 40!!!!  So much for prowess.  Enjoy...

 

List of NCAA schools with the most NCAA Division I championships - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

[Charles Fischer]

Washington only has nine national championships, and they are all in women’s sports. Apparently the men of Washington do not have championship caliber within them!

[Haywarduck]

On 9/30/2024 at 2:20 PM, Charles Fischer said:

Washington only has nine national championships, and they are all in women’s sports. Apparently the men of Washington do not have championship caliber within them!

Washington has men's athletics in name only. The women are the only ones who can win the big one, the men always come up short. 

 

I think in the dog world it is called weak bloodlines. The dogs up north aren't worth much, merely mongrels.

[Mike West]

On 9/30/2024 at 11:18 AM, Solar said:

I'm confused. As a former player of many sports, I can say nearly every penalty I ever got was unintentional. It's not the point.

 

It's not like there is Targeting in the 1st Degree, vs Targeting in the second degree.

 

We had a defenseless player get knock out cold while airborne and the B1G just told the conference that is still a legal scenario.

 

And my understanding is "forceable contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player is one of the definitions of Targeting, so that should have been called Targeting.There is no statement of intent included. It's not supposed to be a consideration.

Well given that, you're probably correct.  He was clearly going for the ball.  If he wanted to, he could have really hurt Ferguson.  As in helmet to helmet, or even using his shoulder pads.  

 

It totally looked like he refused to take that kind of shot, and he definitely had the opportunity to.  That was a Jack Tatum moment if I ever saw one- like the one where he paralyzed Daryl Stingley ( during a preseason game at that).  It probably would have cost him the season, and a fight may have ended the game. 

 

I wasn't aware the rules didn't take intent into consideration.  So many of the calls it is clear the defender is reacting to how the player he tackles behaves.  Sometimes the defenseless player is defenseless after making a split second decision to be defenseless, and the tackler can't change his decision or momentum because he doesn't have time to change his tackling angle once he's off the ground.