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Recruiting War: Lanning vs. Cristobal

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I hope Lanning wins these and goes into the state of Florida and creates some recruiting havoc next year....

 

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While Cristobal left A LOT to be desired as an actual coach, he is a master at schmoozing recruits and their parents. He knows how to work a living room demonstrated by the fact that was recently able to turn a highly ranked Alabama commit to sign with Miami instead. That said, Lanning and his staff know that the proof is in the pudding as far as Cristobal's record goes in the area of player development.

 

There are already rumblings from underpaid professors and staff at Miami regarding the exorbitant amount of money being spent on the football program which is going to put even more pressure on Mario to produce immediately. There could even be an NCAA investigation coming up for recent Miami sins which is not a good look.

 

I like Nike supported Lanning's chances in the future going head to head with Mario. We will lose out to Mario and others this year as Lanning has to first focus on building his staff and getting his program revved up (I sure hated losing T Mac to Arizona), but Lanning is putting together a staff that will truly be a force to reckon with on the future recruiting front.

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There is a hope that wherever our Recruiting rankings land with DL compared to MC, the player development will increase. It just about has to, doesn't it? The Portal will need to be Oregon's friend, and by the time DL has his coaching staff assembled, Oregon should be an attractive destination for players. 

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Nothing we can do to change the fact that Cristobal wins on the recruiting trail. He just beat Saban, and will beat Lanning at times.

 

The measure of a coach comes game day, not signing day, or preseason ranking day either.

 

Lanning will put together a very good class, and develop talent. I look forward to focusing on all the elements which make a great team, not just recruiting. That is what Cristobal hangs his hat on, we don't let him wear our hats or hang them on our rack anymore!

 

It is time to move on from the precept Cristobal sold so many, recruiting is what we should focus on. 

 

We should focus on the fierce defense Lanning sold us and get back to, what Charles has harped on, our offense scoring a load of points. The Cristoball offense is coming to an end, and the Oregon we all love is on the way back! Time to continue what started long ago!

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Short term Mario: Physicality blah blah blah. Long term Lanning: Player development, on field results.

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This year will hurt and it burns me that Cristobal would pull these kids away from Oregon, but it's the wild west in recruiting and I guess everything goes. It sucks. But Lanning will have to start recruiting his butt off to compete. To me, Lanning's first goal has to be to get his coaches lined up and keep his existing team together. Second, focus on recruits and transfer portal. We need a super hero effort out of him because Mario will promise the world and deliver Delaware.

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On 12/18/2021 at 9:54 AM, latracey said:

I sure hated losing T Mac to Arizona

Can't blame the kid, he was probably out the door before MC left if he was paying attention to M Pittman.  Stay home, play with friends and get treated as promised by the coach that recruited him.

 

As for other battles, can't win them all.  

 

Since no more signings until Feb., we will see what DL and his staff can do.  

 

 

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Oregon has proven that a well coached program can beat teams with higher ranked players. It’s ironic that the Ducks became the team with better talent getting out coached. 
 

Who knows what will happen with recruiting. I do know that the team needs to play well together to be successful. One or two five star players are trumped by a team that is well coached all the time. 
 

Defensively I think we will be good.
 

On offense, get a good QB, surround him with solid talent, and get them to play as a team. Coaching does make a difference.
 

Btw…we have the components, let’s get this party started.

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Lanning and his new team likely have plans to get the players they want, regardless of what Miami does.  
 

Uncle Phil has the juice to help Lanning, while Mario is dependent on less credible supporters and a soccer shoe company from Germany.

 

How many Florida players want to hear about the old bullying U as opposed to the return of the high flying Ducks?  We will see.

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On 12/18/2021 at 11:31 AM, Drake said:

Btw…we have the components, let’s get this party started.

 

 I'd take Oregon in a game between Lanning's "O" and Cristobal's "U" at the end of next season.

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Miami will be under water before any new stadium gets built.

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I don’t understand how Cristobal can be so successful at recruiting:

1) He can’t coach

2) He’s shown he’ll split at the first pretty girl that waves at him

 

I’d only sign with him if no other major program didn’t offer me.  Lucky for me, I won’t have that problem….as no school’s ever gonna offer me!

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On 12/18/2021 at 12:14 PM, jrw said:

Miami will be under water before any new stadium gets built.

Yes, both Gators and Hurricanes will return to dominance, just not how they expect.

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That’s recruiting. I Can’t blame Mario. He built those relationships and has the time invested in those players. That said, he had better produce fairly quickly because he is being funded by “new money” boosters.
 

These guys aren’t old heads like PK. They  pulled together a ton of money in a short amount of time. They’re not just starting out with new uniforms and a branding change. They’re all in. They want it all now. Unlike PK who started slow and eventually built up the infrastructure while keeping the nucleus of coaches around. The history of Oregon’s football program is like a spring fed river. They bubbled to the surface with PK’s help and have maintained a steady flow ever since.

 

Miami is expecting a deluge of rain to get their river flowing. They want a quick return on their investment. They’re paying Mario a lot of money to make that flood happen. However, the worst thing that could’ve happened for him happened when Dabo had a down year. Clemson is now perceived as vulnerable, so if Mario isn’t at least an ACC champion in two seasons then he’ll be on a short leash. He’ll definitely be fired after 3 seasons with no conference championship and Clemson isn’t going away.

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I question the IQ of any player/recruit that still wants to play for MC after watching the Ducks struggle against bad teams.  Were they not paying attention?  A blind man could see that he couldn't and can't coach a lick. 

 

Besides maybe Big Joe and the RB coach, I don't think any coaches from MC's staff, earned their paycheck and made the Ducks better.  I'm glad to see most of them going.  Mark my words, MC and many of those coaches will be seeking new employment in a year or two from now. 

 

I'm still undecided about Moorhead.  He may not have had any say on the starting QB or total control over the plays being called.  However, you can't deny that he failed at one of, if not the single most important duty as OC which is to groom and produce a game ready QB.  I know that Covid limited the number of practices last year, but there were a number of other teams that made a true frosh QB work for them.

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Someone made a comment the other day about how Cristobal and Taggart have more in common than first perceived. I understand that it is just a business and just a job, but does Cristobal not have any respect, let alone loyalty, to the program he supposedly loved? Yes again it's just a job, but it seems like poor tactics to try to go after the players you recruited so hard to come to Oregon and then change their minds and say oh I meant Miami... I know it's not that simple but it seems like it is. 

 

I guess what I mean is it seems disingenuous to say to a recruit Oregon is the school that you should be at, and then turn around and try to pull them to a different school just because it's where you are.  This tells me that Cristobal was recruiting players to him, not Oregon.

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Have to say it in a polite non political manner...   I have NO respect for Mario..   To me, just another grifter!  BS is BS however one cuts it.

Good riddance and hope I don't have to hear much more about him or the players foolish enough to follow him.

Go ducks..  Better, better and Best!

 

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On 12/18/2021 at 10:08 AM, The Kamikaze Kid said:

Short term Mario: Physicality blah blah blah. Long term Lanning: Player development, on field results.

We got a taste of all that physicality against Utah which was a joke. I have to laugh at Mario who refuses to change certain things and I don't think we will have to worry about that with Lanning. Already have a great feeling about our new OCs ability to work with his QBs. Not a team strength with our last HC. I don't think I've ever seen where the coach didn't give somebody else a chance and that's why it's called competition. Or why play there. I'm not watching the Alamo bowl because if they lose and let AB stand back there all game that hurts going forwards.

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I do wish Lanning was here full time as of now. You cannot serve two masters. Lanning has done a very good job at UGA but the guy truly in charge of the D is Kirby Smart who was Saban's DC at Bama before returning to his alma mater as HC.

 

Is anyone paying attention to the portal? How many hours can Lanning put into getting more recruits signed on in February?

 

And Mullens? How in the heck can you allow a guy who is probably off to Miami and refuses to re-commit to Oregon, to serve as the HC for the bowl game? THIS = amateur hour.

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On 12/19/2021 at 9:04 AM, Jon Joseph said:

I do wish Lanning was here full time as of now. You cannot serve two masters. Lanning has done a very good job at UGA but the guy truly in charge of the D is Kirby Smart who was Saban's DC at Bama before returning to his alma mater as HC.

 

Is anyone paying attention to the portal? How many hours can Lanning put into getting more recruits signed on in February?

 

And Mullens? How in the heck can you allow a guy who is probably off to Miami and refuses to re-commit to Oregon, to serve as the HC for the bowl game? THIS = amateur hour.

Agree as coaches take sides, show them the door they have chosen to go through, and take their keys!

 

Mullens thinks he is staying above the fray, but he is getting run over by Mario and is a tool of the opponents. This isn't a game social engagement where etiquette rules. This is war and only one side is aware of the game being played. We are merely hoping the other side plays fair, not a good game plan. Mullens need to act more like an official ensuring each side plays fair, and stays on their side.

 

My bet is Lanning is doing a great job. He is putting together the coaches he wants. He is also aware of recruits and those in the transfer portal. He also needs administration help knowing coaches aren't in the program pulling players away.

 

Smart has his program protected, he has said as much, knew Lanning was a head coach candidate, and limited his recruiting duties. Smart is still the head coach and is managing Lanning.

 

Mullens is acting like an ignorant fool, with his staffing choices and management, and is not helping Lanning at all. Our head coach is a coach of the Miami Hurricanes, does that make sense! Wake up Mullens! You may not have known he was going to Miami, but you have no excuse now for keeping him as the leader of our program. Make Big Joe head coach, now!

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On 12/19/2021 at 12:38 PM, Haywarduck said:

Agree as coaches take sides, show them the door they have chosen to go through, and take their keys!

 

Mullens thinks he is staying above the fray, but he is getting run over by Mario and is a tool of the opponents. This isn't a game social engagement where etiquette rules. This is war and only one side is aware of the game being played. We are merely hoping the other side plays fair, not a good game plan. Mullens need to act more like an official ensuring each side plays fair, and stays on their side.

 

My bet is Lanning is doing a great job. He is putting together the coaches he wants. He is also aware of recruits and those in the transfer portal. He also needs administration help knowing coaches aren't in the program pulling players away.

 

Smart has his program protected, he has said as much, knew Lanning was a head coach candidate, and limited his recruiting duties. Smart is still the head coach and is managing Lanning.

 

Mullens is acting like an ignorant fool, with his staffing choices and management, and is not helping Lanning at all. Our head coach is a coach of the Miami Hurricanes, does that make sense! Wake up Mullens! You may not have known he was going to Miami, but you have no excuse now for keeping him as the leader of our program. Make Big Joe head coach, now!

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Great stuff. I honestly wonder how Mullens stays employed. Especially when he went after both the UGA and A+M AD jobs. The bowl game 'strategy?' How hard are players going to put out for a coach that they know is gone after the bowl game?

 

3 Stooges is perfect.  Mullens should be there as the 4th stooge. 

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Hard to blame MC for going after recruits in whom he and his staff invested a lot of time - particularly when some of us are hoping Lanning manages to bring some UGA recruits with him. 

 

It's unfortunate the recruiting situation we're in at the moment, but let's focus on the long game.  If this guy is as good as advertised, we'll stay in the same recruiting neighborhood AND have actual coaching and player development.

 

And if he's not, losing a few of these guys won't matter much anyway.

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On 12/18/2021 at 1:19 PM, Duckdude said:

I don’t understand how Cristobal can be so successful at recruiting:

1) He can’t coach

2) He’s shown he’ll split at the first pretty girl that waves at him

 

I’d only sign with him if no other major program didn’t offer me.  Lucky for me, I won’t have that problem….as no school’s ever gonna offer me!

and I don't think he knows talent or can develop talent. He recruits by stars, not his eyes.

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Everyone loves a “win - win situation “. You guys are happy to be rid of Mario ……………we’re happy to have him!  Sorted! 

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We're happy to get a coach that can recruit. You're happy to get a recruiter that doesn't know Xs from Os.

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