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Trojan Wire: With Adrian Klemm..."Oregon Will Push the Boundaries in Recruiting"

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On 12/22/2021 at 5:07 PM, Pocketchange said:

I’m liking Klemm less and less and starting to doubt lanning 

https://footballscoop.com/news/jim-mora-adrian-klemm-accused-mishandling-injuries-multiple-lawsuits

Just wondering--looks as if this is from 2.5 years ago. What was the outcome?

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It looks like the lawsuit was dismissed against mora but the negligence case against UCLA is still ongoing.  The more you read the worse it gets.  The whole situation ended up with linemen getting CTE and an attempted suicide  

 

https://www.theday.com/article/20211201/SPORT01/211209933

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As I read I kept thinking, what would have happened to Barner if we treated him like that after his concussion.

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On 12/22/2021 at 5:29 PM, Pocketchange said:

It looks like the lawsuit was dismissed against mora but the negligence case against UCLA is still ongoing.  The more you read the worse it gets.  The whole situation ended up with linemen getting CTE and an attempted suicide  

 

https://www.theday.com/article/20211201/SPORT01/211209933

That article appears to place most of the blame for abuse on Jim Mora.  Probably natural as Mora was the recent hire at U Conn but it does make me feel slightly better about Adrain Klemm.  Still I wish DL had hired other candidates than Klemm and Lupoi.  For example UCLA just hired former Husky DL and LB coach Ikaika Malloe--no skeletons and a decent coach.

 

If Klemm has even a hint of abuse he and the Irele Oderinde episode will be coupled together and used to tarnish OBD.

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On 12/22/2021 at 6:05 PM, McDuck said:

If Klemm has even a hint of abuse he and the Irele Oderinde episode will be coupled together and used to tarnish OBD.

Sounds pretty damning to me. From the earlier article: 

 

 

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I hope Coach Lanning doesn't have blind spot when it comes to players being bullied and abused by coaches. Considering his history with Todd Graham, the latest developments out of Hawaii are more than a little concerning. 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/current-former-hawaii-players-allege-mistreatment-and-abuse-under-coach-todd-graham-055929891.html

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On 12/22/2021 at 7:18 PM, OregonRich said:

I hope Coach Lanning doesn't have blind spot when it comes to players being bullied and abused by coaches. Considering his history with Todd Graham, the latest developments out of Hawaii are more than a little concerning. 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/current-former-hawaii-players-allege-mistreatment-and-abuse-under-coach-todd-graham-055929891.html


I worry more that abuse is a feature of his program not that he ignores it.  He hired Klemm knowing about his actions.

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On 12/22/2021 at 7:15 PM, Log Haulin said:

These guys are drinking the Riley kool-aid. "He is the greatest, elite offensive mind, top recruiter". Maybe they should dig a little deeper. Total offense at Okie dropped year to year under Riley.  Recruiting went from 5th in 2018 down to 12th in 2020 and 15th in 2021. Fools gold if you ask me.

Why do you think he left? He’s trying to stay one step ahead of the storm. Willie T did the same thing, but it eventually caught him.

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C'mon. The sky isn't falling. I think this is exciting and I think y'all will be happy a year from now.

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On 12/22/2021 at 6:05 PM, McDuck said:

That article appears to place most of the blame for abuse on Jim Mora.  Probably natural as Mora was the recent hire at U Conn but it does make me feel slightly better about Adrain Klemm.  Still I wish DL had hired other candidates than Klemm and Lupoi.  For example UCLA just hired former Husky DL and LB coach Ikaika Malloe--no skeletons and a decent coach.

 

If Klemm has even a hint of abuse he and the Irele Oderinde episode will be coupled together and used to tarnish OBD.

Damn I keep forgetting that this is the new information age that doesn't seem to understand you are innocent until proven guilty not the opposite.

 

Also there is no redemption.

 

Because you did something years ago the information age won't allow to grow and change.

 

We all know we have did some things in the past, we learn from it and never do it again.

 

I'm a firm believer in 2nd chances and believe we all should as we all would want that for ourselves.

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Being die hard Steelers fan ___ Steelers OL is horrible and this guy was being shown the door at season end. The last two (2) years, we can't run (or) keep Big Ben on his feet.

 

This is a cast off of EPIC proportions and as Steel Curtain die hard.... TY Oregon or whomever takes this guy.

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On 12/23/2021 at 12:22 AM, Duck 1972 said:

Damn I keep forgetting that this is the new information age that doesn't seem to understand you are innocent until proven guilty not the opposite.

 

Also there is no redemption.

 

Because you did something years ago the information age won't allow to grow and change.

 

We all know we have did some things in the past, we learn from it and never do it again.

 

I'm a firm believer in 2nd chances and believe we all should as we all would want that for ourselves.


No there shouldn’t redemption for “designing drills that hit a concussed player in the head while yelling **** him up”.  These actions and the culture he willingly took part in was so far out of bounds that it likely lead to permanent injuries to the players.

 

The program can’t feign ignorance when this happens the next time because Klemm has done it before.  Innocent until proven guilty is an important concept in criminal court but this isn’t a criminal court.  This is a fan judging the head coach for hiring a guy who designed drills that led to crippling a player.  
 

Klemm may not deserve jail but he certainly shouldn’t be working in football.

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I believe in second chances in most instances. I also think that lanning is going to make mistakes along the way. Short leash for Klemm, long leash for lanning kind of thing. With Lanning juggling so much with two programs, I expect some missteps.  Another couple weeks and Oregon will have lanning full attention. Don't think I can expect him to fill his staff quickly to try and salvage recruiting and do it flawlessly. 

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On 12/23/2021 at 6:23 AM, Log Haulin said:

I believe in second chances in most instances. I also think that lanning is going to make mistakes along the way. Short leash for Klemm, long leash for lanning kind of thing. With Lanning juggling so much with two programs, I expect some missteps.  Another couple weeks and Oregon will have lanning full attention. Don't think I can expect him to fill his staff quickly to try and salvage recruiting and do it flawlessly. 

Agreed LH, let’s give DL a chance to coach.  I like your leash comments.  Let him make mistakes and learn from them.  When he repeats them, it becomes a different story!

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On 12/22/2021 at 4:51 PM, KingT said:

For those of us on here who are bringing the moral high ground heat regarding Show Cause, I present to you the last show cause violator at Oregon. Chip Kelly. We needn't get too judgmental here given the wide and generous latitude the NCAA has over recruiting. 

 

LOL at this today when players can have agents. I wonder if any other team at the time was using a 'runner' to help with recruiting? But I don't wonder a whole lot.

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On 12/22/2021 at 9:05 PM, McDuck said:

That article appears to place most of the blame for abuse on Jim Mora.  Probably natural as Mora was the recent hire at U Conn but it does make me feel slightly better about Adrain Klemm.  Still I wish DL had hired other candidates than Klemm and Lupoi.  For example UCLA just hired former Husky DL and LB coach Ikaika Malloe--no skeletons and a decent coach.

 

If Klemm has even a hint of abuse he and the Irele Oderinde episode will be coupled together and used to tarnish OBD.

 

Mora at UConn is exactly where he belongs.

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